Dave: Brandon, this is your third time on the show and you are one of the most interesting, I dunno about better call you a laser light therapy guru, or whether I should be calling you like a brain regrowth guru. 'cause you kind of do both and a bunch of neurodevelopmental stuff. How do you identify yourself?
I'm just a guy down here in Texas working with lasers and saving lives. Wow. That old Texan thing. All right. I like that. But you did something different since last time we talked. There's a bunch of new info about light. You just healed a condition that's now getting covered on national news. Yeah. That isn't healable.
But you also brought in Kevin Johnson, who's a well-known guy who's designed stuff for NASA and Tesla and even cern. Yes. Uh, so you're working with high level like particle physics
Brandon: product people?
Dave: Yes. What is going on?
Brandon: You know? Yeah. I'm, I'm glad you brought that up. And first of all, thank you for bringing me on again.
Um, I. You know, you were one of the first people to actually see value in my work. I will, you know, go ahead and make that statement. You know, that was several years ago when we had that initial conversation. You know, I, I really appreciate that. Um, but you're right. I think that there's so much missing, um, in the photo medicine space.
And so I looked and I tried, and I, and I tried to talk to CEOs. And I tried to talk to laser companies and I said, man, this is a great product. What if, what if, right? And so finally after just continuing to hit a brick wall, I started going, okay, I'm gonna have to make this myself. And so I did. I spoke with Kevin.
I already knew him. Uh, his son was a patient in my practice. Um, I knew his background and he did, he even worked on cern. I mean, come on, particle accelerator. Uh, this guy's a genius. He really is. Um, but beyond that, we knew that we had a huge task. We wanna reshape photo medicine, we wanna reshape this concept of photo biomodulation.
There's so much to be done in this space that's not being done. And so we literally have teams of engineers. We have optical engineers, software engineers, mechanical engineers, scattered throughout the nation, actually throughout the globe. We have several in Europe as well, working on this project as well, because the things that we are doing, we were told that we cannot do.
We were told that we cannot shape a laser beam like this. We were told that we cannot have a power that high. We were told we were cannot. We cannot control the polarization without certain parameters. And guess what? We're doing it anyway. Why is it so hard? I mean,
Dave: I started talking about using an infrared emitter from a night vision like security thing.
An $8 thing from Amazon on my brain 15 years ago. Mm-hmm. And okay, great. I've got whatever, 880 nanometer light. Right. And it worked. Mm-hmm. So why do you need all this laser? Like all the stuff you just mentioned. Yeah. Most of which I understand there's some little parameter things I don't know, but the rest of it, yeah.
Okay.
Brandon: Got it. Yeah, but why, great question. So I always like to boil it down to this. I. Laser beams are like a voice, right? Mm. So let's just pretend like I'm trying to put a baby to sleep. Right. I'm not gonna go, okay baby, it's time to go to sleep. Right, right. Like, that's not how you, you know, even though I can say, Hey baby, it's, I.
Time to calm down, time to go to sleep, right? I, I can say those same words, but I can deliver them differently, right? It's modulated differently. It's modulated differently. That's why this is important. The same is true when it comes to laser light therapy. If we change the frequency, I. If we change the duty cycle, if we change, like we have so many different levers that we can actually pull to actually create this very precise delivery of information, right?
You can, again, you can use a device and get good outcomes because photons are great. They're delivering energy. There's going to be great primary benefit from that primary effect, right? That's why it can work. But again, how precise do you want to be? Well, as we continue to progress forward in this world, we should be growing and learning and changing.
Right. And, and the industry just wasn't doing that. It's been stuck for a long
Dave: time. I got my first medical laser, um, it was one of the first ones. The cold laser is the ones that don't use, that aren't used for cutting. Mm-hmm. Um, probably 22, 23 years ago, and it was approved for racehorses but not humans.
Yeah. So I just used that and it was profound what it would do. And since that time, there's the only innovation that's been more power in pretty much the whole field. And if you're listening to this. Think of it like this. You could shine a flashlight on someone, right? Then you could change the color of the flashlight.
So it means something if it's red or green, and then you could also turn it on or off and have Morse code going. And this sounds super crazy, but we know I. Beyond the shadow of a doubt that our cells communicate with each other using photons. They also use chemicals. They also use magnetics and vibration and inflammatory chemicals and hormones and als, all of them all of the time.
But very few people are hacking the way cells talk via light, which is the fastest. Actually second fastest way they talk to each other. Do you know what the fastest is? Spooky action at a distance. There you go. Quantum, quantum communication, which does happen. And we can prove that also in cells. Yes. So you're at the second fastest communication medium and you're cracking the code with your company of 5 28 I.
That's why I was like, we have to hang out. This is cool. Plus you're an Austin. It makes it
Brandon: easy. Absolutely. But you're right. You know the cellular communication. Is so important here and, and absolutely at the heart of everything, at the heart of neurophysiology, at the heart of biology is this concept of light.
We cannot escape it. We cannot get away from it. We are intimately tied to our light environment. Mm-hmm. And unfortunately, the majority of people today are in a very poor light environment that's driving ill health. That's definitely not driving you into an optimized state. So having a tool that you can quickly use, whether it's on your brain, your body, your heart, your muscles, or whatever it is, right?
Whatever your quote weakest link is, uh, or whatever you wanna optimize, right? Mm-hmm. That can be very beneficial for someone. Okay.
Dave: I
Brandon: have a theory about
Dave: why your laser works. And it's called the holographic universe model. And one of the more intriguing and maybe more provable models of the universe is that it's a giant hologram.
Mm-hmm. And this may be one reason that holograms work. And if you're a nerd and listening to this, you know that you make holograms with lasers. Yes. So do you think you're really working your stuff with five 20 and I, because the universe is a hologram and I'm a hologram, and you're changing my holographic protection.
Brandon: Why not, right? Look, I'm from Texas. Shut up hippie. Oh my gosh. Hey, I love it. I, I think that's fine. And yes, you're right. Actually, I'm looking at, uh, we're looking at holograms, uh, and that's another realm on how we can actually adjust these laser parameters as well.
Dave: Have you seen those
Brandon: crazy videos on
Dave: YouTube where people like, shine a laser down a wall and then they like look into it, down it and they say that they see like all these signals and Sanskrit and that they're downloading the universe.
Mm-hmm. What do you, what's the deal there?
Brandon: You know, I, I've actually been on, uh, a little bit of a journey. Um, so my fellowship is in childhood neurodevelopmental disorders. Um. Nerd, so. Yeah, I know. Uh, right. Well I've got, you know, I've got my diplomat and functional neurology, and then I did an additional fellowship in childhood neuro developmental disorders.
And so, um, I've always worked very closely with autism. Mm-hmm. I, me too. So for, yeah. Right. So for 15 years I've been working with these kiddos and a lot of them are very severe. You know, we get more of the severe cases and have always. Been able to have this like almost telepathic connection with them.
Right? And yeah, I never said anything. This was 15 years ago. Oh, we got the telepathy tapes coming in, or I'm telling you, keep going, keep going, I'm telling you. And so I start, you know, I would tell my closest colleagues, I would tell my closest staff members, right? It's like, man, I, I. I'm connecting with this kid.
Like sometimes I hear a voice, sometimes I can communicate with, you know what I mean? And so when the telepathy tapes came out, right, I binged it. And now I'm on this new kick where I, I have some thoughts, I have some things I'm reaching out to, uh, Kai Dickens. I want to do some research with them, uh, specifically bridging.
The nonverbal autistic kiddos with our locked in, uh, pediatric brain injury cases. Right. I think, yeah, I think there's a way to bring, to open up a line of communication there. Um, so what do I think about it? Well, I think that consciousness does not reside between our ears. Right. I believe that there's definitely a higher conscious state, uh, dude, we're gonna have to cancel.
You can't say that and be
Dave: scientific. Yeah. Thanks for saying it. Totally great. So you think consciousness is non-local? No, it can't be. There's no way it doesn't fit in there. No. We agree on that. Um, I think there's consciousness in your body that's different from your brain consciousness and pre-process reality.
Yeah. Does
Brandon: that match your model? It, it, it, it does. Um, there's research that's been done that actually shows emotions or process locally in various cell types, not just in the brain. Um, and I believe that this is another connection. Um, whether it's neurological, whether it's physiological, or whether honestly it just goes beyond that and it's quantum.
Okay. Um, I believe that's really, but, and really this is where, just to kind of segue back to the laser discussion, right. This is my problem mm-hmm. With some of the research out there is that they, they. Focus so intently just on those biological effects, right? Mm-hmm. And I'm sitting there going, we know that photons interact with electrons and subatomic particles.
Like why are we stopping at the mitochondria? Which is very important, don't get me wrong, right? Mitochondria make photons and subatomic particles.
Dave: Absolutely. They collect them too.
Brandon: Absolutely. Mm-hmm. But we need to be studying this in a quantum lab. We need to be going, Hey, this is influencing our biology, but like, let's, let's look bigger.
That's where
Dave: I'm at. I absolutely love this. And, uh, maybe sometime on the show or sometime over coffee. Um, I had a dream a couple weeks ago that explains how the autistic brain wires for reality. Uh, 'cause I had Asperger's Syndrome when I was younger and people get pissed when I say I had. I'm like, I don't really have the same brain I had before.
Right. And you know very well your brain can change a lot. Absolutely. Because you do it. You, you take autistic kids who don't talk and you make 'em talk using lasers. Yes. It's kind of cool. So this idea that you can connect or some people can connect with other people, all, uh, telepathy tapes. Uh, I think it's real and I think it's teachable.
Right. And some people are gonna be much better at it naturally than others. Yes. And I think lasers can probably turn that on. I believe so too, because you can focus it on a certain part of the brain. Yes. Do you know which
Brandon: part of the brain to shine your laser on? I do. Which part? So if you want to improve embodiment, right?
So a lot of kiddos lack this embodiment. Mm-hmm. They don't feel their hands, they don't feel their feet, they don't feel right. They don't feel themselves. Right. Right. That's the right insular cortex. So I can laser just right through my temple. Right. That that's going to be influencing the insula Now.
What you're asking is how do we project to the world, right? How can we, um, you know, connect with an external stimulus, whether it's a person or we can even get weirder and talk about animals or, you know, things like this, right? I mean, hey, mesh monitoring, they teach you how to do that without lasers.
That's right. You just amplify it with lasers, right? That's right. Uh, that's the left dorsal, lateral prefrontal cortex. Um, and the interesting thing is, is that that left oral lateral prefrontal is constantly monitoring that external environment. Um. And that's also where you get into that flow state, right?
Mm-hmm. So when you're like shooting free throws or like siding in your gun or whatever it is, right? You get that flow state, you're highly in that left dorsal, later prefrontal. So my theory, right, this is my theory is Crawford conjecture here is, yes, I can use that laser in. I actually have a setting called higher consciousness.
Oh yeah. I've used it. It's great.
Yeah.
Um, over the left dorsal Lateral prefrontal, I do believe that you're improving the hardware of the brain so that you can actually transmit and receive better. Right. Who would imagine
Dave: that improving hardware would increase performance? Yeah. Well, that's like a core biohacking tenet, and you're doing it light.
That's right. Which is so cool. Yeah. Well, I believe the brain is really a transmitter and receiver. Okay. So to translate these things left dorsal later, basically slightly in front of the left temple. Is where you would, you would stimulate the brain so you can have more perception of others. And on the right side around the temple is where you would stimulate in order to have more we'll call somatic awareness of what's going on inside your body.
Correct. And. If you want intuition, the first thing to do is become fully aware of what's going on in your body. So you would stimulate the right side, and then when you wanna reach out, you would stimulate the left,
Brandon: right? Yes. We really need the right insula and the left oral lateral prefrontal to come together.
Okay? And the, the insula will actually communicate with the left oral lateral prefrontal and say, Hey, this, this is what's going on inside. And the left side, the left dorsal lateral will say, great, this is what's going out on outside. And if there's a disconnect. That's where anxiety can build, right?
Mm-hmm. If there's, you know, if the, maybe the insula is saying, I have no idea what's going on here, and the left is being bombarded. Right? That's your A DHD
Dave: stress. Yes. That's your autism meltdown right there. Yes. Uh, and it's a disconnect between the interstate and the outer state and the body just freaks out because it doesn't work and correct.
This is why. Autistic people in my understanding of it, which is kind of embodied. Uh, it, they, they want things to be a very precise certain way. Yes. Because it makes it easier for them to relate to the world around them. Correct. And then if you move their comb or whatever the thing is, they're like, ah, yes.
Right. Because it literally
Brandon: breaks their reality. It does. And they're hyper aware of it, right? Mm-hmm. Um, myself, right. I've got. OCD used to have Tourettes, all the things, right? And yeah, I have to work more on that embodiment part, right? Mm-hmm. I have to work more on that, right? Insula. And when I get stressed out, like I was in Dubai and, you know, it was nuts.
We were still in the middle of a build out and I was, you know, up there in the middle of the night still training staff, and I was like, man, I, I just want to go rock in a corner. Do you know the pulse frequency for embodiment? It's various things, right? The shamanic resonance, um, you know, the first order, second order, third order, fourth order.
Mm-hmm. Um. Those are very, very powerful. Uh, when we're talking about embodiment, these are built into 5 28 though. Yes, they are. So, so you just gave people the recipe for, well, developing psychic
Dave: powers
Brandon: of their laser. There's way more to it than that. Okay. There's way more to it than that. Like when we start talking about the higher consciousness, like those are really, actually really high frequencies.
Yeah. Um, but when we're talking about embodiment. We have the shamanic resonance, which is the earth's heartbeat, right? Mm-hmm. It's what the earth is resonating at. Um, and it's based on the electromagnetic, electromagnetic waves, you know, bouncing through the eight ture. So this is chu resonance we're talking about.
Yes. Those are very, very powerful when we're trying to embody someone. And something that's really cool is you can actually put that on the bottom of the foot. There's a kidney, one acupuncture point on the bottom of the foot. Um, in this, there's studies actually that show that by doing that, and specifically they were pulsing 10 hertz, uh, in the research study I'm referencing, but that activated the vagus nerve.
If they were not pulsing 10 hertz, they were just doing a continuous wave. Right. No frequency can do it. It didn't do it. Pulsing is important. It's very important. Wow.
Dave: This just kind of blows my mind. Uh, this morning I was sitting in my infrared sauna that includes red light therapy and I was thinking, you know, I'm gonna.
Ask my favorite AI tool, some really deep questions about pulsing of light, not even thinking about the fact we had an interview. Mm-hmm. Today. Like I, this wasn't in my mind yet. Uh, I don't look at my calendar when I wake up 'cause it takes me outta my, I'm the same way. Right? So I'm, and I was doing it 'cause I was playing with a, a, a light thing later or earlier this morning.
And it actually, I said, well, what are the other frequencies I should be looking at? And it suggested what you had and a couple other ones specifically. One, it said for more embodiment. Um, based on a bunch of different research mm-hmm. Um, that's out there. So if you're listening to this and you're going, all this sounds like nonsense.
It's actually been reported in spiritual literature. It's been reported by heavy meditators and quantum physicists and neuroscientists. And if you put an EEG machine on someone's head and you use the 5 28 eye laser you make, will it change the EEG brainwaves? Undoubtedly, yes.
Brandon: We, we see that all the time.
Yeah. Why, how does a laser change your brainwaves? So it depends on how I want to use it. I can cancel a brainwave or I can induce a brainwave. Um, but it's just energy, man. Like I'm pulsing energy into the brain. Mm-hmm. And just like if I'm yelling at that kid to go to sleep, right when they're not, they're not going to go to sleep, but.
If I know, okay, I need a higher prevalence of alpha, right? Mm-hmm. In the poster aspect of the brain, I can pulse alpha. But once I started playing with the duty cycles and actually, uh, we created, um, a proprietary way to rhythmically change the duty cycle in the 5 28 laser. Once we clued into that, that has been such a huge game changer.
I can induce a brainwave like that. We have to talk, I may have to deploy these at 40 years of
Dave: Zen. Absolutely it as a computer hacker. Mm-hmm. Uh, I've studied everything that happens on a wire or a piece of fiber optic going up through all these levels of complexity until you get T-C-P-I-P, and then you get web browsers and all this stuff that none of us sees.
But at each layer, there's a way of translating a signal from one level to the next. Oh, does, does the electricity mean a zero or one? What does a zero or one mean? And if people have seen like the Matrix, you get the, you know, green asky characters falling down, although some weren't really asky, but I.
Those are a way of encoding electricity as a letter. Mm-hmm. Right. And if you peel back the letter and you look inside it like, okay, what was the next level of compute down you? You get into the network protocols and all this, you're, okay, cool. This is really just pulses on off, on off. Mm-hmm. Even though it looks like the letter M or whatever.
How close are you at 5 28 I to knowing the communication language we're using with light inside the body? So that's actually some
Brandon: research studies we're doing right now. You're actually working on that? Well, we're doing it in a biological lab in San Marco. I'm actually looking at how we can communicate with stem cells.
Yeah. Stem cells actually, you know, if you think about it, that's like the most embryonic, you know mm-hmm. Ground state that, that I can look at, right. I, I don't wanna look at cells that have been heavily altered by the world and influenced by all these various things. So I want to get to, you know, the most ground state that I can't.
Right. Why don't you just look at the ones altered and just unal alter them with the laser. Wouldn't that be easier? Next iteration. Just checking. That's where we're going. That's where we're going. Uh, but yeah, that's what we actually wanna do is see, hey, can we have this stem cell turn into this cell line?
Can, how do we activate the surface receptor proteins? How can we make it mobilize? How can we do all these types of things? So that's literally what we're wanting to look at right now. And I've got my researcher, he's mm-hmm. You know, looking at it, we've done basic sciences and now we just need to, um, you know, continue and actually do the studies.
Do you think that our mitochondria actually communicate using Python? Or some other language? Uh, good question. Um, I don't know if you've seen, uh, there is a recent article, uh, just released that perhaps the energy being generated by mitochondria is not all via the spinning of the A TPA pump and the, um, the hydrogen gradient.
Right? There might be actually other mechanisms at play here. Um, I think that the mitochondria. Our magical creatures, right. Uh, that are giving us a ton of energy more than what people think, right? I, I think that they are actually producing the majority of our energy. Uh, I know that some references will say like, 10%, uh, are, is coming from light.
You know, I think that was
Dave: the first person to put that 10% study in a major book. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There go guys from Mexico figured this out. Looking inside the eye. Yeah.
Brandon: There
Dave: you go. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so yeah guys, you are 10% at maximum swamp thing where you can get your energy from the sun, uh, which is kind of cool.
I don't think that's enough to be a Breatharian and do butthole signing though. Is it not? Not enough, no. Have you tried it? Of course I've tried it. Should I put your laser on my butt hole? Why
Brandon: not?
Dave: Man, you're hard to rattle. I can ask these questions. Well, I have two actually. So there you go. Uh, and anyone, even Joe Dispenza, by the way, you guys are both gonna be at my biohacking conference Awesome.
Here in Austin in a little while. Um, but a lot happens with the first yogic lock where you tighten all the muscles in the perineum. Mm-hmm. And that's, you have the root chakra, so of course you shoot a light all the way up your spinal cord. I wonder if you're gonna feel anything.
Brandon: Absolutely. Honestly, I don't think we were designed to wear clothing all the time.
Um, we're just not right. I, I'm naked right now, whatever my closet. Exactly. Um, we're also not designed to be, you know, inside all the time. Yeah. Um, we are designed to be outside. Um, I can tell you my, you know, my story is that I struggled with low testosterone. I mean, it would be like 1 75 to two 50. Dude.
Me too. I was lower with my mom's at 26. It's bad news, man. I mean, I felt like crap. Um, and you know, I'm, I'm still relatively young, you know, I'm. 39. Um, I, I don't want to be on testosterone yet. Why not? Okay. Well, I don't, I don't want to go there. And so, I mean, just like some kind of Ws or something, I'm, you're
Dave: gonna be on it anyway if you're gonna live for a long time.
True. Just like step up. True, true, true,
Brandon: true.
Dave: Okay. Get the dopamine. I don't want the testicular atrophy. Oh, I know how to stop that. Okay. It's not a secondary thing, it's just the form of testosterone you take. Okay. I'll hook it up after the show, literally. Okay. Fantastic. It's oral, no ball shrinkage.
Brandon: Okay, that's perfect.
Mine are growing back right now. Um, but so I wanted to test myself, right? So I wanted to see, okay, what if, you know, I, I get sun, you know, I'm nude outside, right? Every morning. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out on 14 acres, so there's no one around me. Your neighbors would be like, mine do, right? Yeah. Uh, and then use my laser on my testicles every night.
Well, my testosterone, no joke, is like seven 50 right now. Not bad. What's it free? Uh, it was high range. I mean, it was, I don't remember the exact 20 or I don't remember the exact number, but, but, uh, Randy Galpin was on the show talking about
Dave: that. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: But, but it
Dave: was good. I'll tell you how much shit.
Congrats was significant. Lasering and balls is really powerful. I have lasered mine more than a few times. Yeah. Plus the nitric oxide from lasering. The thing attached to the balls that you can't say on a podcast unless you wanna get rated well, it increases nitric oxide and blood flow. So it might be kind of, yes, it pairs well with ya.
We could say very beneficial. Okay. Absolutely. Wow. Did you see an increase in testicular volume? Yes. Wow. Did you measure it? No. But you have little CalPERS or something. I don't even know how you measure it. I'm asking my wife. She's giving me feedback, so there you go. Okay, good. It's kinda hard to look at 'em anyway, so you gotta, exactly.
Did you hear about the. This study where they took a thousand photos of Scrotums and showed them to women. And on a scale of one to 10, rate them from unattractive to attractive. No, I did not. They did, and funny enough, no scrotum scored above five, so thankfully we can barely see them. So we're okay.
That's hilarious. Oh my gosh. Kind of a, so your laser won't make my scrotum attractive because nothing can do that. No, I'm not gonna make that claim. I wanna get a little bit more into some of the things about mitochondria that we talked about. Uh, you think they're, they're kind of magical creatures. I think that they're.
The foundation of reality. Absolutely. There. I, I believe in a, in a consciousness centric model of the universe, it's called biocentrism, that basically you can't have a universe without a consciousness observing it. It's the old, if a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it. Did it make a sound?
Well, if. If there's something in the world and there's nothing there to see, it was it there in the world, right? And there's more and more evidence supporting that. All the evidence, even in quantum science supports it, which is why lasers, including the stuff you're doing, would be so foundational and important because you have stronger mitochondria.
I. I think they're what interact with reality. We just don't see it that way.
Brandon: I believe so. Okay. I have a lot of thoughts on that actually. Um, so I think that you can look at this from various views, right? And so I take the approach of like, look, we can talk about this from a faith-based perspective.
Mm-hmm. We can talk about this from a quantum perspective. We can blend them, we can do whatever. But um, when you get down to it. You cannot have life without light. And whether it's the creation story. Mm-hmm. Whether it's the big bang, whatever story, you know, someone wants to come up with light precedes life.
Mm-hmm. And light shapes life. Therefore, it would make sense that consciousness is tied to light. Yeah. I kind of read that in a book somewhere. It was, was
Dave: it Let there be Light? Something like that. Oh yeah. Something like that. Right. And it's not just that book. If you go to all the creation myths, it's in there.
It's What about sound though? Like sometimes
Brandon: threaten so when you slow light down, it then turns into sound. Yeah. So sound is really another form of light. It's kind of
Dave: weird how quantum physics and ancient scripture align. When you look at it, it's, it's fascinating.
Brandon: It is fascinating and I think it's something that has been ignored for a very long time.
Yeah. But I do believe that there's a collective consciousness right now that's, that's really starting to understand this stuff a lot better.
Hmm.
Dave: Wow. We could go deep. We should probably do like some cool one. We'll bring Mark Gober back on, who was just on talking about Biocentrism and all. But I wanna talk some more about lasers because.
You know, at the beginning we talked, well, there's the color of the laser. Mm-hmm. Which is the frequency, and then there's how are you pulsing it? And as you're pulsing it, the duty cycle is how long is the pulse versus the quiet period? Yes. Right. So why did you choose them with your laser? It's the only thing I've seen that has like two different heads.
So one of them is 8 0 8 and 9 7 5, and the other one is 4 0 5 and 5 28. What are those numbers
Brandon: and why did you choose them? Yeah, so. You're talking about wavelengths, right? So 8 0 8 nanometers versus 9 75 T. And what colors et. So 8 0 8 and 9 75 are near infrared. So those are invisible to the naked eye.
The cool thing is with the 8 0 8, if you actually do a video on your phone, it looks purple, right? Because the frame rate slows it down and so it's roughly 4 0 4, uh, which that's cool. Looks purple. Um, but. These are the wavelengths. So how long is that? Um, you know, waveform, if you will. Um, that dictates a lot of things that dictates depth of penetration of those primary effects.
So the longer the wavelength, the deeper it will penetrate. Okay? But again, we have to consider the quantum implications. So it's not like the shorter wavelengths don't penetrate, they just do it via di. Different mechanisms. Um, but 8 0 8, I wanted that one because number one, I've used it for years and I've seen it do amazing things.
There's studies on it that show it improves brain health and function, but also gut function. Um, I, I can never not talk about 8 0 8. Nanometers and not mention, you know, the study that showed it had a positive impact on the microbiome, so that's huge. I have used the 5
Dave: 28 laser all over my gut, uh, when I had basically two passport photos worth of skin from when I was fat taken off my face.
I was lasering it before and after the surgery and I healed crazy fast. And of course I use on my brain and the 8 0 8. Is, is that the one that's affecting my gut? Yes. Or did that do everything
Brandon: Well, it does everything okay. I mean, it's still going to influence the MI mitochondria. It's still going to influence, you know, inflammation and all the things, but it specifically does help the microbiome.
We know this, it'll actually increase good bacteria, reduce bad bacteria. Wow. It's very beneficial for the gut. How
Dave: long does it take to make an effect on mitochondria? Like five minutes or 10 minutes? With a 5 28?
Brandon: On mitochondria? No, on my gut bacteria. Oh, on the gut bacteria. Mm-hmm. After one application, it starts to change the microbiome.
That's like five, 10 minutes. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Now to see change on testing. Right. I'll do a gut zoomer, like some kind of stool testing. I like to at least have three months worth of time. Right. I don't wanna waste someone's. You know, money, you know, oh, just do this one time and redo the test.
Expensive test. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Um, but we do see, uh, after at least three months, uh, using the laser, we do see those, those gut tests change. Okay. Absolutely.
Dave: Which makes sense. Yeah. And if anyone doesn't believe me, like take some kind of growing bacteria, put 'em in the sun and see what happens.
That's right. That's right. We'll pull
Brandon: them or make them grow. Right. Absolutely. Okay. The 9 75 nanometers was really important though because. Um, in today's world, we have this escalation of non-native e mfs, right? Mm-hmm. And one thing that that's doing is that's actually drying up our exclusion zone water in the cell.
Um, 9 75 does have this great kind of sweet spot to help generate more exclusion zone water. I wanted to keep the wavelength below a thousand nanometers just because I don't want to have to worry about tissue heating. But it needed to be above 900 to really have this, uh, more pronounced influence on the exclusion zone water.
Okay. If
Dave: exclusions on water is new to you, listen to the episode with Dr. Gerald Pollock, who wrote a major book about that researcher at University of Washington, kind of luminary in the field. I funded some of his research years ago about how it forms this special form of water. It's not magic water because you can see it in a microscope like it's a real thing.
Mm-hmm. And he documented that the presence of heat or infrared light, or. Also knows body heat. Yes. When water is held up against a fat, I don't know, like the cell membrane fats or little droplets of butter or MCT in Yes. Hot coffee. Either way, it makes the water into the kind of water necessary to make a TP and fold proteins.
Yes. And your laser. The 5 2 8. I. If you put that over your skin or just over your body, it helps to make the water that's in your body. It turns it back into exclusions on water. Yes. Okay. And this is being damaged by the unnatural lights that we're under all the time. Yes, absolutely. So weird because exposure to indoor LED lighting is highly correlated with melanoma.
Mm-hmm. But exposure to sunlight is barely correlated. That's right. If at all, in fact, sunlight is protective at lower doses. Mm-hmm. So you think cancer and exclusions on water are connected? They
Brandon: have
Dave: to be connected.
Brandon: Of course they're, yes. And there's multiple studies even showing that, you know, you can even consume deuterium depleted water and it helps.
Right. Do you really believe that? I mean, I drink it.
Dave: How much do you spend on it? It's expensive. So I, I went down the deuterium, I'm just gonna call it a rat hole, um, I dunno, 10 years ago. And I spent probably five or 10 grand on special water and. If, if you're listening to this going, what the hell? So there's a heavy isotope of water, heavy water, um, and there's very small amounts of it on Earth and we use it in the nuclear industry where my grandparents are from.
So I. There is a theory, and it's a very provable theory that when you get deuterium in your cells, it creates free radicals and DNA damage. Yes. And that if you could magically remove deuterium from your body, um, that it would increase mitochondrial function, decrease cell damage, and maybe help cancer. So I did this religiously some, a hacker and.
I had, you know, a pallet of, of low deuterium water brought in from Poland or Ukraine or somewhere. I, all the crazy stuff that, like only a billionaire biohacker do, and I'm not even a billionaire into of the day, unless you're a billionaire with cancer, it's probably not worth doing, right? 'cause of all the things that would move the needle, you could spend 15 grand on a laser that does all kinds of stuff, or 15 grand on a couple pallets of water that barely move the needle.
So I, I feel like it's like a, uh. A, a flag that weird people will wave around. You have to pay attention to this because you can't
Brandon: ever fix it. So you have to be addicted to their content. Sure, I understand that. So clinically I'll use it when, um, I have a patient that's really, really, really toxic. So they have a ton of, uh, mold or mycotoxin, heavy metals, things like this and detox pathways are just not working Right for a short period of time.
Yes. That, that's how I use it clinically. Uh, for me personally, I'm not drinking it like daily. Um, maybe like once or twice a week. Maybe it's just one of those like safety blanket things. I don't And
Dave: and you'd have to do it without collagen and without Yeah. It needs to be without carbohydrate. 'cause carbohydrates are full of it and Correct.
Like, it, it's, it's one of those things where this is the protocol, it's impossible to follow. If it doesn't work, it's 'cause you didn't try hard enough kind of things. Right? Yeah. And. And there's also radioactive, um, potassium, you know about that? Yes. So all the people saying, well, this is gonna save you.
Like, no, no, no. You have to remove all potassium from your food and then replace it with non-radioactive potassium 'cause it causes the same problem. And eventually you're like, I think I might be orthorexic if, if you're going down that path. So. There's a new word invented, it's called reic. I like it. So I would just get the laser to be honest.
Sure. It's so much
Brandon: easier. Yes, and, and you're right about that because you can use certain wavelengths of light to actually, you know, produce your own exclusion, exclusion zone water, which is that deuterium depleted water. So yes, that's a much better. Route in the world
Dave: of biohacking, there's all these like kind of fringe corners.
And I usually explore. In fact, I think I've explored all of them that I can find. Mm-hmm. And some are worth it. And just having worked extensively with lasers for 20 plus years and yours is by far just blowing me away. Um, comparing that to all of these other paths, like this is a big one. It's why, you know, years ago I started a low cost.
Um, red and infrared panel company. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I just actually sold it to my friend Alan. Yeah. Um, who's now running it. That one's called True Light. And it, even back, you know, 10 years ago, I, well, I know Pulsing Matters, but I don't know the frequency, so it puls it 10 hertz. Yeah. It still does. Right.
Which is good. Yeah. It's better, you know, sometimes you wanna pulsing, sometimes you don't. Yeah. And it's very low cost and it's not lasers, it's LEDs. Right. So it's like, you know, affordable, which was the whole goal to help move. It forward and now you've got like the Lamborghini of lasers here. It, it's insane what you can do with it.
Yes. Well, thank you. What is the craziest. Story that
Brandon: you've seen with the 5 2 8 eye? Oh gosh. Um, well, we're actually reversing bulbar a LS in a patient right now. Um, and then I also have the NE A LS or Luke E's disease. Yes. You, you're reversing that. Yes. Bulbar a LS Oh, dare you. I know. What's up with that?
We even had the neurofilament testing to prove it. Wow. Yeah. You're gonna get a lot of phone calls after this. I get calls about a LS like every week. I mean, it's, it's crazy. I've never moved the needle like this. Right. Usually I tell people, look, my goal is to slow the progression.
Dave: Yeah.
Brandon: Um, with this patient, we actually started, we we're doing our regenerative medicine, but then I'm also using the 5 28 laser.
I'm using, uh, the red, the infrared, and the green. Okay. Um, and the green actually has a huge influence on the DNA. Mm-hmm. Also influences that structured water that we were just talking about. And so when I started to combine the regenerative medicine with. The laser. I was seeing things that I've never seen before and he, the, I told the wife, I just had a feeling, right.
I was like, Hey, this was on a Thursday. I said, Hey, on Monday, please just let me know how he's doing. And she called my admin and said, oh my gosh, he's breathing better, swallowing better. Like all like, and he has, you know, he was to the point to where he was struggling to swallow and. You know, breathing was becoming labored, et cetera.
Right. And so they then did the follow up testing on the, you know, neurofilament testing. And she reported back, she was like, oh my gosh, they haven't seen this change. Like his medical team, they've never seen this change before. Incredible. Yeah. It, it's, I. It's fun. Like I get to go play in my playground every day.
I mean, it's, it's a, it's amazing. Um, but then we also have, um, a just extremely touching case. Uh, Millie, this is the one that was picked up by Fox News. It's on all kinds of different channels now, but she has a condition called Alo Bar Holo Pros, Cefaly. Most of these kids actually are, you know, they don't make it, they're born stillborn or miscarry.
Uh, if they are. Born and they typically, you know, don't make it past a week or so when now she's a year and a half old or so. Um, the interesting thing about this case is that in Alo bar, holo Pro cephalic, the brain does not develop like she was missing like 90% of her brain efforts, right? And so they tell 'em, Hey, prepare for hospice, like this is gonna happen.
Um, and they came to me and said. What do you think? And I said, your kid's fighting. Your kid is trying. I'm willing to be in this battle. If you are. This is the first case of this condition that the baby is thriving. Like little Millie. I mean, she's, we were working on crawling last time she was in, she's vocalizing, she's saying mom and dad, she's communicating with her brother.
She's eating, she's gaining weight. I mean, this doesn't happen, right? I mean it's it's amazing.
Dave: You're almost certainly familiar with a case, this is probably 20 years ago, where they did a brain scan on a guy who was 30 something and found that 90% of his brain was missing because it was full of cerebral spinal fluid.
Like only the outer layer of his brain existed. Yes. All the infrastructures were gone. His like, he was like 90 or something. He wasn't particularly smart, but he had a job and a family. Yeah. And things were fine and people are like. Everything we thought we know about the brain is wrong. Yeah. So, so is this a case where
Brandon: you don't really need everything, it's just in there?
Correct. Um, this is where, honestly, my perspective, and I don't want to have an ego here, but my perspective, because I get to see some of the most complex neurological disorders on the planet, it really opens my eyes. Right? Because, for example, Millie does not have visual pathways. She's missing a lot of her occipital lobe, right?
Yeah. She can see fine. She can see just fine. When you look at her MRI, it's like, well, how does she see? I don't know what she sees, you know? And then you're talking like dune or something here. Yes. So we have to understand that the brain is so much more complicated than what we've boiled it down to and put in medical textbooks.
There's a
Dave: someone I know very well whose entire, uh, language processing center in the brain is missing from a childhood brain injury. Yet she speaks five languages and does simultaneous translation. Right? So she's only one in 28 million people can do simultaneous translation where you hear one thing and speak another.
Yeah. At the same time without a visual processing thing, or sorry, without a language processing part of the brain. Uh, which is above the left ear a little bit. Mm-hmm. So there's all kinds of stuff that our brains are capable of, but they never do it. Right. Have any way that I can, like, make my brain do all that superpower stuff.
'cause I'm kind of interested. Yeah. I got a cool laser for you. All right, man. I'm just gonna glue it to my head. Perfect. Me too, Brandon. The stuff you're doing, uh, 5, 2, 8 innovations, it's mind blowing. Literally. And like I said, I've been using your prototype laser. You were kind enough to share with me for the last.
Um, six months or so. And really it is the most noticeable of any laser therapy I've ever done. And just hats off for thinking about it in a new, unusual and forward thinking, futuristic way. I think you're onto something here and it will call
Brandon: me a fan. Thank you so much. I really appreciate, again, thanks for believing in me and my vision.
Of course. And you know, I really, really do value that. Thank you so much. I'll see you at the Biohacking conference. Absolutely.