Darin: [00:00:00] The reason we cook plants is to reduce [00:00:02] toxins. We ferment them, we process the hell [00:00:04] out of 'em. We have compounds and [00:00:06] plants that we ingest, and they [00:00:08] actually support us in our health and [00:00:10] improves virtually all [00:00:12] longevity markers in the body. [00:00:14] So there's studies today [00:00:16] that are reversing [00:00:18] Parkinson's, Alzheimer's [00:00:20] dementia.
We [00:00:22] induce this high active [00:00:24] compound naturally [00:00:26] implants, and it binds to [00:00:28] pathways in our body and our bodies [00:00:30] start freaking healing.
Music: [00:00:32] Known as the Superfood Hunter. [00:00:34] Darren o is the author of the New York [00:00:36] Times Bestseller Super Life, [00:00:38] and the host of the number [00:00:40] one Health and wellness podcast [00:00:42] around the Darren Orleans show.[00:00:44]
He also co-hosts the [00:00:46] Netflix series Down to Earth with Zach [00:00:48] Fron about the global search for [00:00:50] healthy, sustainable [00:00:52] ways to eat and live.
Dave: What's the [00:00:54] most shocking thing you've come [00:00:56] across that people do every day [00:00:58] that's making them sick? [00:01:00] You are listening to The [00:01:02] Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey.[00:01:04] [00:01:06]
Our episode [00:01:08] today is with a true [00:01:10] pioneer in health and wellness, [00:01:12] and there's a lot of us out there and [00:01:14] everyone has [00:01:16] different perspectives [00:01:18] different lenses to look at [00:01:20] this. And you might find one person who's, you [00:01:22] know, it's all about meat is [00:01:24] bad for you. I would suggest that [00:01:26] person's wrong, although maybe there's some [00:01:28] edges there [00:01:30] or.
Someone else could be, it's [00:01:32] all about EMFs or, [00:01:34] um, there's one guy who's like, the [00:01:36] world is full of [00:01:38] toxic blue light and [00:01:40] EMFs, and you're all gonna die. And [00:01:42] bottom line is everything is [00:01:44] good and bad for you, [00:01:46] uh, to some degree, depending on what you [00:01:48] want to do. So our job is to [00:01:50] figure out [00:01:52] what are the [00:01:54] most distributed things that are having the [00:01:56] most negative effect and what [00:01:58] we can do to change those, [00:02:00] either to make ourselves more resilient [00:02:02] or more importantly, to [00:02:04] fix whatever the root cause is so [00:02:06] that it stops happening, so we don't have to be [00:02:08] resilient anymore.
[00:02:10] And our guest today is [00:02:12] Darren Olin. [00:02:14] Or if you were to spell it, ON [00:02:16] is uh, [00:02:18] um, an environmental activist [00:02:20] and a bestselling author. [00:02:22] Looking at hidden [00:02:24] things that affect your [00:02:26] health. If you saw [00:02:28] the Netflix show Down to [00:02:30] Earth with Zach Efron, [00:02:32] Darren's traveled the earth looking at [00:02:34] how do we fix the environment so that we can [00:02:36] fix ourselves?
This makes me [00:02:38] really happy because I [00:02:40] do not believe in fixing the [00:02:42] environment for the environment's sake. [00:02:44] Uh, and he, I'm sure he'll yell at me as soon [00:02:46] as, as soon as I finish the introduction. [00:02:48] Um, just because I don't think [00:02:50] hungry people care about the environment. So we [00:02:52] gotta take care of ourselves, so [00:02:54] then we'll take care of the world around us.
We'll get into that. [00:02:56] And Darren's also the founder of [00:02:58] Baras, which is a super food [00:03:00] company that makes, uh, [00:03:02] nutrient-dense foods and [00:03:04] ease into biohacking and [00:03:06] adaptogens and metabolic flexibility and [00:03:08] all the good stuff. So we're going to [00:03:10] do this combination of environmental stuff [00:03:12] and mitochondrial stuff in this episode.
[00:03:14] I'm actually really looking forward to it. [00:03:16] Darren, welcome
Darin: to the [00:03:18] show. Thanks, Dave. [00:03:20] It's been a long time and [00:03:22] we're finally at least connecting [00:03:24] in this, in this way. I look forward [00:03:26] to it. I do too.
Dave: [00:03:28] You're in Malibu, right?
Darin: Yeah. [00:03:30] I thought you cared about [00:03:32] toxins. Luckily, I'm far [00:03:34] enough away from some of that stuff, [00:03:36] and I'm, and I'm, [00:03:38] uh, you know, I found a piece of [00:03:40] land with 50 acres surrounded by the [00:03:42] national park, and so it's [00:03:44] usually me, oak trees and a [00:03:46] couple dogs, so,
Dave: okay.[00:03:48]
Darin: Yeah,
Dave: I like that. That's [00:03:50] actually super cool. Yeah. [00:03:52] And uh, you're not worried about [00:03:54] all the plastics
Darin: and [00:03:56] metals from the fires, of [00:03:58] course, if you're closer to it. And I'm [00:04:00] certainly not surfing at the moment. And, [00:04:02] and you know, it's a lot largely is [00:04:04] under reported too, [00:04:06] because if they did, they would've to [00:04:08] basically take up the entire [00:04:10] beach of all the water runoffs and [00:04:12] stuff.
So it's, it's a big problem for [00:04:14] sure. And you know, and I, [00:04:16] I'm sitting on the property [00:04:18] that I lost in [00:04:20] 2018 to a fire, [00:04:22] the Woolsey fire. And it [00:04:24] was started by, it was started [00:04:26] by a derelict power pole from [00:04:28] Edison and [00:04:30] that started 96,000 [00:04:32] acres. So, you know, we have to be [00:04:34] careful when we say wildfires [00:04:36] because even in then [00:04:38] yeah, they take off.
But [00:04:40] largely, so much of [00:04:42] it starts with [00:04:44] us. It starts with stupid [00:04:46] things that we're doing [00:04:48] that create a lot of issues, which [00:04:50] also, you know, speaking to your, the [00:04:52] environmental piece, I think there's probably a [00:04:54] lot more that you and I will agree [00:04:56] on because I [00:04:58] also. I'm very clear that [00:05:00] the, the climate change stuff [00:05:02] has been co-opted and, and [00:05:04] taken the narrative and spun it [00:05:06] in the sense that, [00:05:08] you know, it really comes down to, and also what I [00:05:10] wrote about fatal conveniences, [00:05:12] how we're being affected.
It's the same [00:05:14] thing. So as within, so without, as [00:05:16] above, so below, you [00:05:18] know, so if, if, if we are [00:05:20] being polluted by a [00:05:22] deodorant, that, or a [00:05:24] shampoo, or a fragrance or [00:05:26] petroleum clothes, [00:05:28] largely the [00:05:30] creation of those things are. [00:05:32] Wildly [00:05:34] polluting to the environment. So [00:05:36] it really comes down [00:05:38] to if you're dumping [00:05:40] toxic things into a [00:05:42] river you all can realize [00:05:44] that that's not a good thing to do.
[00:05:46] So a lot of this stuff [00:05:48] comes down to just poor [00:05:50] choices that we're making from a [00:05:52] individual perspective, and some [00:05:54] of it we don't know or we didn't know about. [00:05:56] And then from [00:05:58] a, from a wide [00:06:00] lens of industry, [00:06:02] which is largely polluting [00:06:04] as well. So for, [00:06:06] for me, the climate change comes [00:06:08] down to we're [00:06:10] polluting, we're, we're causing [00:06:12] dangerous things in our environment.
And [00:06:14] that is just, I mean, look at, look at [00:06:16] Chevron and Ecuador. [00:06:18] They didn't even try to not [00:06:20] pollute. The rivers in [00:06:22] Ecuador, and they just [00:06:24] polluted people down the way. And of [00:06:26] course, what do they come up [00:06:28] with, uh, first time and, and their [00:06:30] history cancers so [00:06:32] we can, we can make the argument that, [00:06:34] yeah, it's a big global thing, [00:06:36] but it really comes down to small [00:06:38] things that people are doing and [00:06:40] corporations are doing.
But, [00:06:42] but yeah, there's a lot we can do. And, [00:06:44] and, uh, it takes, [00:06:46] obviously waking up to it first in [00:06:48] order for us to change any of it. [00:06:50]
Dave: What's the most shocking [00:06:52] thing you've come across that people do [00:06:54] every day
Darin: that's making them sick and there's [00:06:56] so many you know, you know, I [00:06:58] spent two and a half years and, and I [00:07:00] didn't even use ai.
I used [00:07:02] 15 real researchers [00:07:04] studying my book. And, and one of the [00:07:06] first things that just, I don't, I don't know if it's [00:07:08] the most toxic, but it pissed me [00:07:10] off. Uh, it was a, it was [00:07:12] PFAS Laden on dental [00:07:14] Floss. Oh, yeah. [00:07:16] So it's like, [00:07:18] okay, the easy slip in between the [00:07:20] teeth, they just laden it [00:07:22] with, with PFAS. And now we know [00:07:24] that PFAS [00:07:26] is very, very [00:07:28] destructive and it's a, [00:07:30] it's a compound that does [00:07:32] not even come close to being [00:07:34] natural.
'cause it's got a hydrophilic and a [00:07:36] hydrophobic end to [00:07:38] it. And so you, it's [00:07:40] very difficult to clean [00:07:42] up largely. You can't really, they don't, [00:07:44] we don't know how. So it [00:07:46] bioaccumulates in the environment, [00:07:48] bioaccumulates in us, [00:07:50] and now half of us are being [00:07:52] exposed to PFAS just from [00:07:54] our tap water [00:07:56] because of the proliferation, [00:07:58] because of 3M [00:08:00] using it and, and, [00:08:02] and not doing [00:08:04] safety studies, or at least doing [00:08:06] safety studies and then realizing they got [00:08:08] caught finally.
[00:08:10] Uh, since the fifties. [00:08:12] So, you know, when you start. [00:08:14] You know, initially people [00:08:16] think of it as Teflon on pans, [00:08:18] which is largely still a really big [00:08:20] problem and a lot of eco [00:08:22] washing that the PFAS is [00:08:24] still on the pans. 98% [00:08:26] of 'em still have PFAS, so people are [00:08:28] cooking with this [00:08:30] stuff. So yeah, that pissed me off, [00:08:32] Dave.
When you're like, it's dental [00:08:34] floss you're putting in your mouth, [00:08:36] like get that outta your mouth. [00:08:38] Um, so
Dave: Darren's number one [00:08:40] recommendation is to stop flossing [00:08:42] to live a long time. Thanks, Darren. I'm not [00:08:44] sure. Yeah,
Darin: no flaw [00:08:46] floss. Just, I'm just kidding. Just [00:08:48] don't, just don't use plastics and [00:08:50] P ffo s
Dave: one of my love [00:08:52] languages is putting words in other people's [00:08:54] mouths.
They didn't say so. [00:08:56] No, I, I use a hundred [00:08:58] percent silk dental floss. Yeah. It's [00:09:00] not that hard to do. It might break [00:09:02] every now and then, but it works [00:09:04] better and I know that I'm not, [00:09:06] I'm moving the needle in the wrong [00:09:08] direction.
Darin: Yeah. And again, you know, the, again, there's [00:09:10] lists. Of, of these things. [00:09:12] And, and, you know, [00:09:14] the, the ones that people can easily [00:09:16] change is tap water.
You know, it's, [00:09:18] it's a great convenience that we can turn [00:09:20] on tap water and have running water [00:09:22] because 2 billion people on the planet don't [00:09:24] have that, but it's [00:09:26] full. So how [00:09:28] dangerous is tap water? Really? [00:09:30] Well, like I said, the, [00:09:32] probably at the top of the [00:09:34] list, one of the most dangerous [00:09:36] forever chemicals, [00:09:38] bioaccumulation linked to cancer and kidney [00:09:40] disease and metabolic [00:09:42] conditions and endocrine [00:09:44] disruption is PFAS.[00:09:46]
So if you don't filter your [00:09:48] water, your [00:09:50] chances are you're that number one [00:09:52] contributor is going in your body. [00:09:54] Plus we have pharmaceutical [00:09:56] drugs, uh, we have pesticides [00:09:58] and herbicides. The thing [00:10:00] is the, the [00:10:02] municipalities are great at. [00:10:04] Making sure we don't die [00:10:06] acutely of typhoid and dysentery, [00:10:08] but they're not sophisticated, [00:10:10] just like the, just like the scam [00:10:12] of recycling.
There's no [00:10:14] sophistication to [00:10:16] be able to, to, to [00:10:18] break apart any of those things or to [00:10:20] filter any of those things. They don't [00:10:22] have that. So, so we're [00:10:24] getting water on demand, but we [00:10:26] don't have clean water. But an easy [00:10:28] fix to that for people that are freaking [00:10:30] out right now is that you can get [00:10:32] a reverse osmosis filter [00:10:34] and, and get rid of most of it, and it [00:10:36] drops the parts per [00:10:38] million down to not almost nothing.
[00:10:40] So, um, and there's no safe [00:10:42] lim limit the EPA, even though they [00:10:44] do put a li they put a safe [00:10:46] limit on PFAS, it just doesn't exist. [00:10:48] So, that's, that's a [00:10:50] danger. I just saw a [00:10:52] documentary in New New York that [00:10:54] it's called, um. [00:10:56] How to poison a planet. [00:10:58] And that was the, with all the [00:11:00] attorneys that have been fighting [00:11:02] 3M for the better part of three [00:11:04] decades.
And it was all the [00:11:06] dark water guys. So the Mark [00:11:08] Ruffalo film that [00:11:10] they, they did the film on the dark [00:11:12] water and the, and the PFAS and the [00:11:14] chemicals. And, and this [00:11:16] documentary really brings it out [00:11:18] because 3M ultimately [00:11:20] settled, uh, with a [00:11:22] huge number. But the [00:11:24] attorneys were actually pissed because they [00:11:26] had, they found 50 years of [00:11:28] smoking guns.
[00:11:30] So, uh, that's a big one. [00:11:32] PFAS exposure is [00:11:34] very dangerous. It's not like a heavy [00:11:36] metal where you and I know how to chelate [00:11:38] that out of the body. Uh, [00:11:40] you can, you can do that. It's, [00:11:42] it's, it, it can build up in the [00:11:44] environment, but also [00:11:46] different chelation protocols [00:11:48] and, and [00:11:50] chlorellas and, and green [00:11:52] stuff and, and [00:11:54] zeolites and stuff can get rid of that.
[00:11:56] But we, we don't currently know [00:11:58] how to get rid of [00:12:00] PFAS. And so that's the big [00:12:02] one in, in the water from my [00:12:04] perspective. I.
Dave: And one, one of [00:12:06] the things that that drives me [00:12:08] crazy is in the US we have this idea of [00:12:10] corporate personhood, [00:12:12] which means companies now have [00:12:14] constitutional rights, which they should not [00:12:16] have.
'cause the thing about people is you can throw 'em in [00:12:18] jail, you can [00:12:20] separate them from their kids and you can [00:12:22] deprive them of food in sunlight. The [00:12:24] things that government does to punish you anyway, [00:12:26] which are very nasty. But you [00:12:28] can't do that to a company. So I don't think companies should have [00:12:30] rights like people do, but they do [00:12:32] in the US now.
And [00:12:34] you can give a person the death penalty, but [00:12:36] you can't for a company. [00:12:38] And what I've been thinking about for [00:12:40] years is that rather than these financial [00:12:42] fines, if the government would [00:12:44] simply say, you know [00:12:46] what, here's the amount of the fine. [00:12:48] So we're causing you [00:12:50] to issue that much additional [00:12:52] stock in the company, which dilutes [00:12:54] existing shareholders.
That new [00:12:56] stock is the highest preference stock [00:12:58] that has more rights than existing shareholders. [00:13:00] And it goes to the [00:13:02] people who would have [00:13:04] received the financial [00:13:06] damages. So what happens [00:13:08] every time a company screws up, it [00:13:10] loses ownership of itself into the hands [00:13:12] of the people. It harmed [00:13:14] this would solve the problem.
I've never [00:13:16] seen any country do that. But if you are, [00:13:18] I dunno, Supreme Court Justice [00:13:20] or some law scholar listening, [00:13:22] dude, do that. What do you think? Would that [00:13:24] fix the problem?
Darin: Yeah. Well [00:13:26] it put, you know, you know, the [00:13:28] bottom line is it would put the po the, the [00:13:30] pressure, the, the economic [00:13:32] pressure on. Because if, if you, [00:13:34] if you can't.
Uh, [00:13:36] get the profits, then you're [00:13:38] gonna lose, you know, the [00:13:40] share and it's not gonna work. But [00:13:42] at the same time, [00:13:44] you, you have this game that's [00:13:46] played even before that. And that [00:13:48] is we perceive that there's [00:13:50] regulatory bodies that are [00:13:52] governing these things, but largely [00:13:54] they leave it in the hands of them [00:13:56] to go follow our [00:13:58] rules and we'll just take your word [00:14:00] for it.
And, and, [00:14:02] and therefore they're just, it's wild [00:14:04] west. So they do whatever they want. [00:14:06] And if they don't reveal those [00:14:08] tests, uh, that are [00:14:10] causing damage, they claim [00:14:12] plausible deniability. [00:14:14] So then there's, [00:14:16] we didn't know about it, so therefore, how [00:14:18] can you prove that our product is [00:14:20] dangerous? So, [00:14:22] so it's a game.
And the [00:14:24] FDA, the EPA, the [00:14:26] NIH, the [00:14:28] FCC, the FTC, all of [00:14:30] these. People or, [00:14:32] or, or governing bodies or [00:14:34] regulatory bodies. It's a [00:14:36] joke that they call them regulatory [00:14:38] bodies 'cause they're not regulating [00:14:40] anything. And it, it is [00:14:42] then, to your point, it's only [00:14:44] upon this damage [00:14:46] that then [00:14:48] becomes proliferated in the [00:14:50] lexicon of our, our world.
[00:14:52] And then hopefully we catch [00:14:54] on and, and we start ta [00:14:56] talking to people about it. And then of [00:14:58] course there's no way, [00:15:00] right? There's whole generations of people [00:15:02] hopefully that's falling away, that believe [00:15:04] that there's no way people would [00:15:06] actually do that. There's no way the FDA would [00:15:08] allow that. There's no way that [00:15:10] corporations would, would do such a [00:15:12] thing.
And the truth is, I'm sorry to [00:15:14] say, but the, our history proves [00:15:16] otherwise. And, and so [00:15:18] when you have these very, very big [00:15:20] companies doing these things over a [00:15:22] long period of time, the the [00:15:24] god of their power is [00:15:26] this prophet. So you gotta [00:15:28] punch 'em right where they're at, for sure. [00:15:30] And so I think that can definitely [00:15:32] help without a doubt.[00:15:34]
Um, but we actually have [00:15:36] to prove safety. [00:15:38] We, we actually [00:15:40] have to do the thing that [00:15:42] every mom, every [00:15:44] consumer walking down an aisle [00:15:46] is assuming [00:15:48] that on some level [00:15:50] what I'm buying is not gonna [00:15:52] directly harm me. And the [00:15:54] challenge with all this, Dave, is, you know, [00:15:56] that acutely our [00:15:58] bodies are so [00:16:00] resilient. Like, it's [00:16:02] amazing.
So acutely if [00:16:04] I'm dental flossing or if I'm [00:16:06] drinking tap water, I'm fine. [00:16:08] I've been fine. But you [00:16:10] know, you don't know [00:16:12] how great you can be and you [00:16:14] don't know how good you can feel [00:16:16] if you're used to feeling a [00:16:18] certain way, and [00:16:20] especially when the wheels start [00:16:22] falling off, then you [00:16:24] just, you know, it's, you don't [00:16:26] even know where to start at that point [00:16:28] because it's death by a thousand [00:16:30] cuts.
It's, it's, [00:16:32] it's just this hit from Yes. [00:16:34] And even with your opening, [00:16:36] when you're talking about all these things, there's [00:16:38] people that are standing [00:16:40] in the electromagnetic field space [00:16:42] and really shouting, there's [00:16:44] people from. [00:16:46] You know, clothing to [00:16:48] personal care, to ultra processed food. The truth [00:16:50] is, all of it is this [00:16:52] quagmire of [00:16:54] destructive behaviors.
And, and [00:16:56] all of this is affecting us. And you, [00:16:58] you can't, you can do all you want [00:17:00] and we're still being [00:17:02] affected by our air, water, food. [00:17:04] Um, and so [00:17:06] this is, this is, this is where [00:17:08] I am going. We have to [00:17:10] educate through it. We have to [00:17:12] wake people up enough to [00:17:14] create this new earth that we know is [00:17:16] possible. And, and [00:17:18] unfortunately, it, it, it [00:17:20] people, there's a lot of [00:17:22] people that don't even wanna listen.[00:17:24]
To stuff like this. They don't [00:17:26] wanna know it and it, [00:17:28] and that's, and that's okay. They don't have, [00:17:30] like you said, like in the beginning, there's a bunch [00:17:32] of people that are in the hierarchy of [00:17:34] needs. They're just trying to find [00:17:36] their next meal. And I get that. So [00:17:38] let's, us and [00:17:40] everyone else who has the ability to [00:17:42] tune to something like this, you're doing [00:17:44] pretty freaking good, so let's [00:17:46] do something about it.
[00:17:48] Let's, let's vote with our dollars. Without [00:17:50] a doubt. Let's avoid [00:17:52] toxins. Let's not give [00:17:54] our attention to all [00:17:56] of this stuff and let's demand these [00:17:58] changes because we do [00:18:00] have to clean our own [00:18:02] environment. Starts there. Number one, [00:18:04] 'cause a clean [00:18:06] mind. Clean body, clean [00:18:08] spirit. I now have the [00:18:10] space to [00:18:12] be. A steward [00:18:14] to do more of this.
[00:18:16] To tell my community to, to, to [00:18:18] tell our communities to [00:18:20] go, listen, we're not just saying this for, [00:18:22] just to waste our [00:18:24] time and for clickbait we're [00:18:26] actually saying this because god dammit, we [00:18:28] need to do something [00:18:30] different. Because when [00:18:32] that baby's born today [00:18:34] in our western world, it's got [00:18:36] 200 plus [00:18:38] chemicals in the umbilical [00:18:40] cord.
Back when they [00:18:42] thought. There's, there's a [00:18:44] barrier, just like a blood brainin [00:18:46] barrier. Nothing's gonna penetrate just [00:18:48] like the digestive [00:18:50] barrier. Not all the doctors would always [00:18:52] say that shit, that's not [00:18:54] true. Right? So [00:18:56] all of these barriers we [00:18:58] thought were impenetrable, [00:19:00] are very [00:19:02] penetrable, and we're affecting [00:19:04] unborn children [00:19:06] and, and existing children and [00:19:08] dogs and pets and our [00:19:10] ourselves.
And, and so we [00:19:12] have to [00:19:14] say, Hey, man, you know, listen, [00:19:16] I I, and I'll just say this too, [00:19:18] I, I have friends [00:19:20] in big industry that [00:19:22] have created alternatives to [00:19:24] PFAS today and [00:19:26] have scaled it, and I don't [00:19:28] know the company's. ' cause [00:19:30] they haven't told me it's okay to say it, [00:19:32] but large, the [00:19:34] biggest companies are now [00:19:36] infusing and testing those [00:19:38] things to then [00:19:40] have it in their packaging, [00:19:42] to have it in their, so [00:19:44] there's, there's hope, there's [00:19:46] possibility.
We gotta turn off [00:19:48] the faucets of some of this [00:19:50] destructive behavior[00:19:52] [00:19:54]
Dave: in the world of [00:19:56] biohacking. I teach people, well the [00:19:58] first thing to do is stop doing the [00:20:00] things that make you weak. And [00:20:02] then do the things that make you strong. 'cause it's kind [00:20:04] of dumb to, you know, go try to [00:20:06] get stronger when you're carrying [00:20:08] around a load of stuff that stops it from working [00:20:10] anyway. So you don't get a lot of re [00:20:12] results.
And we agree. You talk [00:20:14] about endocrine disruptors and heavy metals [00:20:16] and EMFs and microplastics, these are all [00:20:18] things that make you weak. [00:20:20] However, even if you go live in a [00:20:22] cave, you're still gonna get some of these things. [00:20:24] So there has to be [00:20:26] an order of importance. So I'm gonna ask you a few [00:20:28] questions.
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
Dave: [00:20:30] And see what you'd say. You have a [00:20:32] choice. You can have [00:20:34] food with glyphosate or [00:20:36] food with [00:20:38] PFAS.
Darin: Which one and why? [00:20:40] That is a really good question. [00:20:42] I think [00:20:44] that I would [00:20:46] pro, wow. I, I think at this [00:20:48] point I know so much about [00:20:50] PFAS and of course [00:20:52] glyphosate. I would. Oh my [00:20:54] God, I, I think that's a [00:20:56] great que I think I would choose [00:20:58] glyphosate just because [00:21:00] the gnarly [00:21:02] nature of how these [00:21:04] fluorine gases are [00:21:06] created to create the molecules of [00:21:08] PFAS and how [00:21:10] strong this stuff is.[00:21:12]
'Cause then I go to glyphosate, I'm [00:21:14] like, okay, if I tore my gut up and [00:21:16] ripped it apart from on a micro level, I can [00:21:18] start to repair it. I can know what to [00:21:20] do. We just don't know what to [00:21:22] do with PFAS. Um, so [00:21:24] that, so I,
Dave: yeah, [00:21:26] PFOS is harder to get rid of than even [00:21:28] glyphosate. 'cause once you rebuild all of your [00:21:30] fascia and collagen, if you're in a no [00:21:32] glyphosate environment and rebuild your [00:21:34] gut bacteria you might be [00:21:36] okay.
Darin: Yeah. [00:21:38] But not, not from the alien [00:21:40] invasion of PFAS. So, [00:21:42] okay. Well
Dave: then here's your next [00:21:44] one. You can have toxic [00:21:46] metals, you can have EMFs. What are you gonna [00:21:48] pick?
Darin: Uh, toxic metals [00:21:50] 'cause I know I would know what to do and how to [00:21:52] get rid of that too. EMFs [00:21:54] are invisible, [00:21:56] persistent and, and [00:21:58] everywhere. So if I could create a, a [00:22:00] world where we're not getting electro [00:22:02] sensitively harmed, [00:22:04] and the thing with [00:22:06] the EMFs is [00:22:08] it's so pervasive.[00:22:10]
The thing that scared me [00:22:12] about EMFs is when I saw [00:22:14] the blood brain barrier open up [00:22:16] in studies as a [00:22:18] result of proximity and [00:22:20] duration. So how close, close, that [00:22:22] was like 1974 [00:22:24] or something when that research came out, right? [00:22:26] Yeah. There's, I mean, there's more [00:22:28] studies now, but I, I saw [00:22:30] one in, I think it was [00:22:32] 2017, but the first [00:22:34] study was like a [00:22:36] great friend of mine 30 years [00:22:38] ago, 25 years after I [00:22:40] met him 30 years ago, 25 years [00:22:42] ago, five years after that, he showed me the [00:22:44] first EMF study.
It freaked me out. [00:22:46] So [00:22:48] EMFs and then the proliferation of, [00:22:50] of, of, you know, [00:22:52] satellites and I, and [00:22:54] our ionosphere blasting down [00:22:56] on us, and we can't hide [00:22:58] from it. We can't run away from it. If it [00:23:00] was up to me, I'd, I'd [00:23:02] plug back in and. [00:23:04] You know, put lines in the [00:23:06] ground and, and do that. [00:23:08] So,
Dave: yeah, that surprises me [00:23:10] because heavy metals are also [00:23:12] environmentally really persistent.
They're [00:23:14] multi-generational. Sure. [00:23:16] And it, it does feel like, at least in your [00:23:18] home, you can be reasonably shielded from [00:23:20] EMFs if you know what you're doing. You get [00:23:22] EMF underwear.
Darin: Yeah. [00:23:24] Yeah. I mean, but again, I think [00:23:26] it depends on how you ask [00:23:28] that. In my home I'm [00:23:30] infinitely, but from a [00:23:32] global perspective, yeah.
E [00:23:34] EMFs are very, very tricky. [00:23:36] And these are, these [00:23:38] are great questions, but impossible [00:23:40] because I would not, [00:23:42] I would not consume any of [00:23:44] it. So of course, [00:23:46] neither you nor I. Although
Dave: frankly, I [00:23:48] would probably consume. [00:23:50] Some EMFs because [00:23:52] there's a lot of value to having mobile [00:23:54] data. Like mobile networking.
Darin: Yeah.
[00:23:56] Yeah. Well, I still use my phone. I just don't [00:23:58] have it on in my pocket next to [00:24:00] my balls. Yeah, right. You know, it's like, [00:24:02] same here. It's just common. It's [00:24:04] just, you know, listen, we gotta flip the [00:24:06] switch of common sense with some of this [00:24:08] stuff. And the [00:24:10] FCC. Punted those [00:24:12] studies 20 years ago, the [00:24:14] EPA actually was doing the, [00:24:16] the research in the nineties and [00:24:18] found that the EMS were very, [00:24:20] very dangerous.
[00:24:22] And, and then as soon as the [00:24:24] report came back, it, the funding [00:24:26] left. The EPA went to the FCC [00:24:28] and we never saw any, [00:24:30] any changes based [00:24:32] on the studies that they found, and it [00:24:34] went away. So, you [00:24:36] know, this, this is [00:24:38] something that you know, we've got about [00:24:40] 20% of the population now that [00:24:42] has electro sensitivity, that's [00:24:44] consciously aware of how [00:24:46] it's affecting you, and [00:24:48] I think it's only gonna grow.
Keep in mind, [00:24:50] Dave, that one, G two G [00:24:52] 3G 4G 5G are [00:24:54] all still here. We're just [00:24:56] adding to the electric [00:24:58] smog. It just keeps [00:25:00] growing and growing and [00:25:02] growing.
Dave: It's almost like [00:25:04] relying on the government [00:25:06] to. Care about your health [00:25:08] would be a really stupid move, wouldn't it? [00:25:10]
Darin: It's a stupid move. Like, [00:25:12] okay. Again, when you look at [00:25:14] the government does not [00:25:16] have your back.
Like, it, [00:25:18] it, it is, it has failed several [00:25:20] times over e every [00:25:22] chapter of my book, from [00:25:24] clothing to fragrances, to [00:25:26] food to EMFs, [00:25:28] all of it had some point [00:25:30] in there where the government should have [00:25:32] regulated it and wasn't. [00:25:34] So
Dave: I'm, I'm glad [00:25:36] you said clothing because your [00:25:38] next devil's bargain. [00:25:40] You can have [00:25:42] microplastics or you can have synthetic [00:25:44] endocrine disrupting fragrances.
[00:25:46] Which one are you gonna take?
Darin: [00:25:48] I think because the fragrances took [00:25:50] my dad down in the [00:25:52] nineties, I would probably go with [00:25:54] the clothing for sure. So the
Dave: [00:25:56] microplastics, he'd rather have microplastics [00:25:58] versus fragrances.
Darin: [00:26:00] Yeah, I think so. [00:26:02] This is, this is, this is so fun. [00:26:04] This is gonna suck because it's gonna [00:26:06] be edited and I'm gonna say [00:26:08] I want [00:26:10] microplastics in my balls.[00:26:12]
I,
Dave: uh, that's a great clip. [00:26:14] That's my ringtone for you. It's every time my [00:26:16] phone rings, it's gonna say, I want [00:26:18] microplastics in my balls. In my balls. It's perfect. [00:26:20]
Darin: I've done the [00:26:22] research and my balls are happy. [00:26:24] So, so yeah, [00:26:26] that, you know, I, the thing [00:26:28] around fragrances is [00:26:30] because we have one of the most [00:26:32] sensitive and under, [00:26:34] under understood [00:26:36] organs and all, all [00:26:38] our olfactory system, [00:26:40] right?
So back in the day [00:26:42] when we were food selecting, [00:26:44] when we weren't manipulating [00:26:46] food, all mammals [00:26:48] select their food by smelling at [00:26:50] first because you know that the [00:26:52] ripening was correct. You knew that your body [00:26:54] in that bio [00:26:56] individualization in that [00:26:58] moment, your body knew what to do. [00:27:00] And it was a great book [00:27:02] 25 years ago called Gene [00:27:04] Fit.
And they dove into [00:27:06] this, uh, subject and [00:27:08] we're the only ones that were [00:27:10] manipulated by our, all of our other [00:27:12] senses. I. But a [00:27:14] olfactory is super se and, and [00:27:16] it's a gateway to the brain. [00:27:18] Uh, so, so that [00:27:20] one and the fragrances and the [00:27:22] undisclosed fragrance [00:27:24] world, that will not [00:27:26] reveal the sometimes [00:27:28] hundreds of carcinogenic [00:27:30] compounds that goes into [00:27:32] their [00:27:34] proprietary blends.
If you see a [00:27:36] fragrance and it's not telling [00:27:38] you what it is, you want to [00:27:40] run the other way
Dave: because that's, I [00:27:42] don't use any
Darin: synthetic
Dave: [00:27:44] fragrances, and I usually get [00:27:46] an Uber black, even though it's more [00:27:48] expensive because they're less likely to have [00:27:50] 14 little pine trees in them. [00:27:52]
Darin: I know. And you know what, Dave, [00:27:54] let's, can we have a, let's, can we [00:27:56] have a campaign for [00:27:58] Uber and can we [00:28:00] campaign them to not have that?
Because [00:28:02] I've turned down [00:28:04] tons of Uber because of that. I [00:28:06] can't even sit in there. I always feel
Dave: [00:28:08] bad about this. I know [00:28:10] how. Crappy it is to be an [00:28:12] Uber driver. Uh, Uber does [00:28:14] not, over time take care of their [00:28:16] drivers. And these guys are working really hard [00:28:18] and they don't know any [00:28:20] better, but they're sitting in there [00:28:22] destroying their health and their children's health with these.
[00:28:24] Mm-hmm. Sometimes you, you'll see 10 of these [00:28:26] little fragrance things. Mm-hmm. And the [00:28:28] car smells like basically one of those [00:28:30] chemical outhouses. [00:28:32] And I don't want to sit in there for a half [00:28:34] hour because I protect my health [00:28:36] and I don't want the person to be [00:28:38] exposed. I don't wanna give them bad ratings 'cause [00:28:40] it takes away their livelihood.
Yeah. So sometimes [00:28:42] I'll leave a little comment, but I don't even think they see it. And if [00:28:44] they do see it, they probably give me a bad rating. [00:28:46] So I don't know what to do about [00:28:48] it. But if you're driving an Uber [00:28:50] or you're hearing this in an Uber, [00:28:52] what I do is I say to the [00:28:54] driver just as politely as I kinda say, Hey, I [00:28:56] get a migraine from the fragrance [00:28:58] stuff, would you be okay just putting it in the glove [00:29:00] box so that, you know, as we're driving, I don't [00:29:02] have to smell it as much.
Right. And [00:29:04] if you do it with kindness, I've never gotten a [00:29:06] bad rating. I have a high rating as a passenger. 'cause [00:29:08] I'm like to think I'm nice. [00:29:10] Uh, and I don't give bad ratings unless they're, [00:29:12] you know, drunk or blind or something. [00:29:14] So maybe that's the path. [00:29:16] But, but like Uber, if you're listening, [00:29:18] how about a requirement if the car [00:29:20] smells like poop?
Maybe they should [00:29:22] wash it. They shouldn't hide it with something [00:29:24] that is a direct assault on [00:29:26] my endocrine system. What do you think?
Darin: Exactly, [00:29:28] exactly. I, I, I agree. And, [00:29:30] and, and I, and it also [00:29:32] reminds me of a very good friend, [00:29:34] Sheila Moravati. So, you know what, she, [00:29:36] she has this nonprofit called Habits of [00:29:38] Waste, and she's a [00:29:40] juggernaut.
And what she did with [00:29:42] Uber Eats, and this is an example, [00:29:44] right? So Uber Eats, [00:29:46] when you buy food, they [00:29:48] automatically throw plastic [00:29:50] cutlery in your, [00:29:52] your prepared meal. She [00:29:54] got them to, [00:29:56] to put a toggle, [00:29:58] she put so much pressure on [00:30:00] them and put a [00:30:02] toggle on that. So only if [00:30:04] you toggle, I want [00:30:06] that, then it will give it, and she [00:30:08] saved.
Billions of [00:30:10] millions of pounds [00:30:12] of unused, [00:30:14] unnecessary [00:30:16] plastic crap in our environment [00:30:18] just by a [00:30:20] button. Right. So what if we put, [00:30:22] what if you could put next to your, [00:30:24] hit a button next to the [00:30:26] Uber driver and say, [00:30:28] no chemicals, dude. Like just [00:30:30] one buck.
Dave: I would pay, I'd pay [00:30:32] $3 more per ride [00:30:34] for guaranteed a cent free car.
[00:30:36] Uber, there are [00:30:38] tens of millions of [00:30:40] chemically sensitive people. I used to be chemically [00:30:42] sensitive when I had toxic mold and [00:30:44] chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm generally [00:30:46] pretty tolerant now, but I still hate it. [00:30:48]
Speaker 4: Yeah,
Darin: so Well it's a, it's an [00:30:50] assault on your system. Yeah. Like you, [00:30:52] you, you can feel it now 'cause you're [00:30:54] also more sensitive.
So, yeah. [00:30:56] I feel abused when I smell [00:30:58] that stuff. It's, it's just very [00:31:00] toxic
Dave: from
Darin: a
Dave: legal [00:31:02] perspective. It's not [00:31:04] okay for me to spray people around me with [00:31:06] pepper spray. Okay, because [00:31:08] people feel short-term pain, [00:31:10] they shouldn't be allowed to spray us [00:31:12] or expose us to these endocrine [00:31:14] disruptors just because the pain [00:31:16] happens over time instead of upfront.
[00:31:18] I, I almost wonder if there's some kind of class action [00:31:20] lawsuit against Axe Body Spray or [00:31:22] somebody like that. What do you think? Are you working on that [00:31:24] should be, should
Darin: be, should [00:31:26] be. I mean, these, again, these [00:31:28] fragrances should be regulated and they're [00:31:30] not, and they have this [00:31:32] loophole of, of proprietary [00:31:34] blends.
And this is, again, [00:31:36] something that's not regulated [00:31:38] in a, in an assault on our, [00:31:40] the very fa think about this. When we [00:31:42] say, we say these flippant words like [00:31:44] endocrine disruption, but what does [00:31:46] that really mean? The [00:31:48] whole idea of the human race [00:31:50] is to move the race forward. [00:31:52] Like you could drill it [00:31:54] down to just that alone and the [00:31:56] fact that we are under [00:31:58] undermining the very [00:32:00] nature of our nature and [00:32:02] not able to get.[00:32:04]
Have children as a [00:32:06] result of the stuff we're doing is [00:32:08] so alarming to me. So [00:32:10] when we say things like fragrances and [00:32:12] endocrine disruption, that is [00:32:14] leading to PCOS, [00:32:16] it's leading to, to [00:32:18] sperm, going down to testosterone, [00:32:20] going down motility, [00:32:22] and the, the alarming [00:32:24] rate of infertility is just [00:32:26] screaming at us as a [00:32:28] society.
So, so many of [00:32:30] thi these things are, are [00:32:32] just causing such an issue. [00:32:34] And, you know, we can poke [00:32:36] fun at this fragrance thing, but [00:32:38] we're actually not, we're not laughing [00:32:40] about it. It is, it is the [00:32:42] dangerous game that we're playing. And, [00:32:44] and I, I, dude, I I, I, [00:32:46] I actually am gonna call [00:32:48] Sheila today and [00:32:50] say, since you did this with [00:32:52] Uber Eats, is there a way [00:32:54] that we can change?
[00:32:56] Uh, I'm gonna call her. I [00:32:58] swear to God, my whole body relaxed when you said that, [00:33:00] like that, that's a signal
Dave: to me that that's [00:33:02] probably a good move. Yeah. [00:33:04] Um, exactly. And I'm serious. [00:33:06] I will pay more. [00:33:08] Yeah. For that. Just like they have handicap [00:33:10] cars or, I don't know, [00:33:12] maybe that's the wrong word. Um, I'm [00:33:14] exposing my seventh grade training.
What whatever [00:33:16] disability. I, I don't know the right word [00:33:18] for it, but, um, I was in a [00:33:20] special needs class in high school [00:33:22] anyway, whatever that right [00:33:24] word is in the politically correct world [00:33:26] we live in people who need extra [00:33:28] help.
Darin: Yeah.
Dave: I I think [00:33:30] fragrance should be one of those. 'cause I need [00:33:32] extra help with fragrances.
I need
Darin: extra [00:33:34] help with clean air Dave. Just like you. [00:33:36] There you go.
Dave: It, it's kind of funny when [00:33:38] I met home, [00:33:40] I like you. [00:33:42] I do everything as best I [00:33:44] can and it turns out taking [00:33:46] care of water is pretty easy. Have a [00:33:48] reverse osmosis unit.
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
Dave: Might get [00:33:50] some microplastics from that. Um, what [00:33:52] do you think? Is there a microplastic [00:33:54] problem with reverse osmosis?
Darin: [00:33:56] If there is, it's not that much. Okay. The [00:33:58] filters are pretty sophisticated. Yeah. [00:34:00] And, and we, we are [00:34:02] finding that, you know, it, it, you know, the [00:34:04] other, the other side of it is [00:34:06] distillation, right? Yeah. So [00:34:08] distillation is that obviously it [00:34:10] evaporates and recon condenses, and it's [00:34:12] all about the, [00:34:14] the, the total dissolved [00:34:16] solids that are in it.
So you, you can easily [00:34:18] get a, a little [00:34:20] meter and you can put it in [00:34:22] there. And if, if you [00:34:24] test that and it's between [00:34:26] zero and 20, the chances are you [00:34:28] have next to nothing. Uh, true [00:34:30] distillation is [00:34:32] between zero and [00:34:34] 15 or so parts per [00:34:36] million. So you can test [00:34:38] it. And also it's good just to have one of those [00:34:40] around, because you should be fil, you know, [00:34:42] changing your filters every six months, [00:34:44] right.
Kind of thing. But easy, [00:34:46] easy solution to, to [00:34:48] change and it's, and then use [00:34:50] glass. A [00:34:52] bottle and then boom, you don't, you're [00:34:54] not exposed and it's such a [00:34:56] huge lift, right? You're, [00:34:58] it's such a huge lift [00:35:00] that
Dave: change. The other thing that, that [00:35:02] I'd love to chat about. [00:35:04] For listeners, it's not just the water. You [00:35:06] drink a whole house.[00:35:08]
Charcoal and [00:35:10] ceramic filter is not very [00:35:12] expensive at all, and it takes out most [00:35:14] stuff for the water that you cook [00:35:16] with or the water that you put in your skin and you [00:35:18] breathe. So my ideal setup, [00:35:20] you have a whole house filter and [00:35:22] then that helps you when you're taking [00:35:24] showers and all that kinda stuff.
And then you have reverse [00:35:26] osmosis for drinking. So that [00:35:28] that's easy. 'cause those are one-time changes. You change a [00:35:30] filter every now and then, but that's good. [00:35:32] And then air filters, you turn the damn thing on, [00:35:34] buy it and leave it on forever. Mm-hmm. You got your water [00:35:36] and your air done. Now all you [00:35:38] have to do is deal with light, which [00:35:40] you can affect easily.
[00:35:42] And then you have food and food's, the [00:35:44] hard one,
Darin: right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean [00:35:46] I think those, those are [00:35:48] massive changes you can make in [00:35:50] your indoor air quality and indoor [00:35:52] life quality. Because [00:35:54] 93% of our lives are [00:35:56] spent indoors and [00:35:58] are, are living [00:36:00] areas and all the off-gassing of the [00:36:02] furniture and the [00:36:04] flame retardant, bedding for your [00:36:06] dogs or whatever the hell you got in [00:36:08] there.
We need to filter that, [00:36:10] that air and also open the [00:36:12] windows when it's appropriate based on [00:36:14] your environment. So the, [00:36:16] these are, these are great. Yeah. The ho the [00:36:18] home, the. Overall [00:36:20] home. I mean, I, if I count, I [00:36:22] actually have two RO [00:36:24] systems connected [00:36:26] plus my whole house [00:36:28] filter plus a vortex [00:36:30] or and it's like, [00:36:32] you know, that's obviously [00:36:34] overkill, but but these are [00:36:36] easy, these are easy fixes in that [00:36:38] indoor world.
And [00:36:40] plus then you, how you, how are you [00:36:42] cleaning your home is a [00:36:44] incredible, and [00:36:46] way to either [00:36:48] infect yourself more with [00:36:50] stuff or to [00:36:52] minimize, and, and one just, [00:36:54] I'll leave people with this, you [00:36:56] know, a, a third [00:36:58] organic white [00:37:00] vinegar reverse osmosis [00:37:02] water. Add your [00:37:04] favorite essential oil and you got the best [00:37:06] cleaner in your overall house and you [00:37:08] actually uplift, [00:37:10] uh, and support your parasympathetic [00:37:12] response.
And it's [00:37:14] fantastic. So, uh, there's a lot [00:37:16] of, you know, Dave, you've done this all [00:37:18] your career, but. [00:37:20] These things just have to be aware. [00:37:22] You have to have an awareness first, [00:37:24] and then you can take an action. [00:37:26] And sometimes the [00:37:28] action's already out there. 'cause people like us [00:37:30] have done the work for you. [00:37:32] We've created options so [00:37:34] that you can just go, oh, okay, I'm just [00:37:36] gonna switch over here.
And once you switch, [00:37:38] the habit is formed and [00:37:40] now you don't have to worry about it. See, [00:37:42] like, I'm probably like you, [00:37:44] you know, I superfood hunted [00:37:46] around the world for 20 years. [00:37:48] I've integrated things, [00:37:50] I've used the best plants [00:37:52] in the world. I've, I've, I've [00:37:54] created a healthy world. But [00:37:56] that was, you know, [00:37:58] from the nineties when I [00:38:00] was in school.
I've been [00:38:02] operating habits and implementing [00:38:04] habits every day. So. [00:38:06] Habits are our [00:38:08] wealth out of this stuff. [00:38:10] But if no action is [00:38:12] taken with [00:38:14] information, that's where [00:38:16] things go sideways. So [00:38:18] people shouldn't be overwhelmed by [00:38:20] your daily routines or my [00:38:22] daily routines. They should just go, okay, [00:38:24] I should start with that [00:38:26] damn dental floss and And my [00:38:28] water just, yeah.
[00:38:30] And food
Dave: obviously, I think make [00:38:32] better daily routines. Don't make [00:38:34] perfect daily routines. Yeah, it just [00:38:36] improvements in the right direction. That's all it [00:38:38] takes. And you just keep doing that and it doesn't take more [00:38:40] work once you know the right thing to do. And [00:38:42] that's a big part of what you write about in [00:38:44] your books and your work in the world.
And mine too. [00:38:46] Like you're going to eat something. [00:38:48] Put the better choice in your [00:38:50] mouth, but not the perfect choice. You don't have to. [00:38:52] You said something though that kind of [00:38:54] triggered me. Okay. Not really. [00:38:56] Awesome. I just wrote a book about how to not be [00:38:58] triggered, but something I noticed. Yeah. [00:39:00] You said add your favorite essential oil.[00:39:02]
Lavender [00:39:04] is a potent endocrine [00:39:06] disruptor that causes man [00:39:08] boobs within six weeks of using [00:39:10] it and should not be used on [00:39:12] children.
Okay. Where's that [00:39:14] study? Oh, um, it's [00:39:16] easy to find. Just ask your favorite AI [00:39:18] or search engine. Just [00:39:20] Google, lavender man boobs.
Darin: [00:39:22] Lavender man boobs. Okay. That's the first [00:39:24] time hearing about it. But for, for me, [00:39:26] I use lemon. I use [00:39:28] rose oil. And you know, [00:39:30] lavender's been lavender [00:39:32] when done correctly. [00:39:34]
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
Darin: La the, the, the [00:39:36] essence of lavender from the [00:39:38] lavender flower, [00:39:40] uh, has been [00:39:42] used as the u [00:39:44] utility knife of all [00:39:46] essential oils for, [00:39:48] for nearly a [00:39:50] hundred years.
Dave: Um, [00:39:52] oh, no, no doubt about it. Yeah. [00:39:54] Medically lavender is useful. Smearing [00:39:56] out all over your kids on a [00:39:58] regular basis might not [00:40:00] be what you wanna do. Yeah. Uh, in [00:40:02] fact, it depends on the
Darin: quality, obviously. [00:40:04]
Dave: Um, it's from a website called [00:40:06] Estrogen Free, [00:40:08] but I'm trying to figure out which of those it [00:40:10] is. And it's not that you [00:40:12] shouldn't have any estrogen, uh, but [00:40:14] they've got a bunch of research on the site [00:40:16] about phytoestrogens or plant [00:40:18] estrogens and what they do.
So I'm, I [00:40:20] get concerned about smearing lavender [00:40:22] oil on kids every single day [00:40:24] using it for a brief period of time. I'm all over that. [00:40:26] So when you're like, use your, your favorite [00:40:28] essential oil, I'm like, let's go for [00:40:30] frankincense and mer 'cause those don't seem to have the [00:40:32] downsides that a lavender, [00:40:34] uh, can have.
Well,
Darin: maybe, but, but, [00:40:36] but also, you know that [00:40:38] back in the day that that [00:40:40] study saying that tofu also had [00:40:42] that phytoestrogen, that's a completely [00:40:44] different pathway. And they [00:40:46] jumped to like, that's gonna give you [00:40:48] estrogen dominance and man [00:40:50] boobs and all of that stuff, which was [00:40:52] absolutely not true. [00:40:54] Right? So, so [00:40:56] when I hear phytoestrogens [00:40:58] and I don't understand the pathway, [00:41:00] that's where I.
Like, listen, [00:41:02] if it's true, it's true. But if it's [00:41:04] not, then all of [00:41:06] these things just, they're, [00:41:08] they're not biochemically [00:41:10] looked at correctly. And then these [00:41:12] flippant sound bites. [00:41:14] And so, listen, I've eaten, [00:41:16] I've eaten. I don't go outta my [00:41:18] way to eat Tempe and tofu all the [00:41:20] time, but, but I've eaten a [00:41:22] ton of it.
And, you know, [00:41:24] it's, how are your
Dave: [00:41:26] kidneys? I, I always look at oxalate [00:41:28] in, in that. I'm like, ugh. [00:41:30] Yeah, it's, it's [00:41:32] one of those foods that's better than starving to [00:41:34] death.
Darin: Oh, come on. [00:41:36] No,
Dave: I wouldn't touch that. [00:41:38]
Darin: It's, uh, [00:41:40] Tempe and tofu are, uh, [00:41:42] in infinitely [00:41:44] nutrient dense and [00:41:46] oxalates [00:41:48] largely upon preparation of almost [00:41:50] any food.
I. Your [00:41:52] oxalate level goes [00:41:54] down or if not, goes away completely. [00:41:56] So [00:41:58] obviously if you're, if, if you're eating [00:42:00] beans with oxalates and phytic [00:42:02] acids, the only reason you're doing that is [00:42:04] because you're eating, then you're not, haven't prepared [00:42:06] them. You're eating a raw and you're gonna die from other [00:42:08] things.
So like, [00:42:10]
Dave: yeah, I feel like you're eating those beans 'cause you [00:42:12] couldn't find any animals. 'cause you're a bad hunter. [00:42:14] Or am I just missing out on that? [00:42:16] I'm just, I'm just messing with you. But I did find, the study I [00:42:18] was looking at, it was presented at the [00:42:20] Endocrine Society's hundredth [00:42:22] annual meeting in 2018 [00:42:24] that showed that lavender and tea [00:42:26] tree oil had the [00:42:28] most endocrine disruption [00:42:30] and that there was a link between [00:42:32] abnormal breast growth in young [00:42:34] boys.
So [00:42:36] that's,
Darin: that's quite a big jump, [00:42:38] Steve. I I, I'd love to [00:42:40] look at it
Dave: for sure. Yeah, no, I just, I mean, [00:42:42] everyone here can look at it. It was, [00:42:44] uh, N-I-E-H-S. [00:42:46] Um, they selected for [00:42:48] analysis of eight compounds and figured [00:42:50] out, uh, some compounds in [00:42:52] the both of them. And then [00:42:54] they demonstrated estrogenic or [00:42:56] anti-androgen properties, some with high, [00:42:58] some with low.
So I'm just [00:43:00] saying even with [00:43:02] natural compounds, mother nature [00:43:04] wants to kill you too.
Darin: Well, [00:43:06] yeah, I mean, listen, just be cautious. [00:43:08] That's the dose is a poison [00:43:10] for sure. Yeah. I mean, it depends on the dose. I [00:43:12] mean, I mean, listen, like [00:43:14] e even taking an [00:43:16] adaptogen, you know, the, the stress [00:43:18] response in [00:43:20] 14,000 feet of maca [00:43:22] making ides and [00:43:24] moins is, is is [00:43:26] compounds that affect you?
When [00:43:28] you take those in, your body [00:43:30] has a minute stress response, [00:43:32] but then the adaptability [00:43:34] that's triggered is [00:43:36] huge, right? With all of these [00:43:38] adaptogens. So again, dose [00:43:40] is either the benefit or the poison. [00:43:42] So all, there's so many [00:43:44] nuances with all of this stuff. And, [00:43:46] and, and that's where like, [00:43:48] you know, you, you, you take a [00:43:50] test, you can find, you can [00:43:52] find, you can find MRSA and [00:43:54] on your skin right now.[00:43:56]
Like, you know, it's, it's [00:43:58] like you, you, we have these things [00:44:00] floating around everywhere. [00:44:02] So, you know, it's, but if [00:44:04] my balance just as using that as [00:44:06] example, if my microbiome [00:44:08] is off, if my immune system is [00:44:10] down, if I am putting [00:44:12] antibacterial soap on, I [00:44:14] then actually create an [00:44:16] opportunity for these things to proliferate.
[00:44:18] So, you know, e everything is [00:44:20] so nuanced with all of this. So, [00:44:22] which is why, you know, I, I prefer. [00:44:24] Podcasts over, [00:44:26] over flippant, [00:44:28] you know, stories [00:44:30] that so many people say,[00:44:32] [00:44:34]
Dave: I [00:44:36] get a little stuck, um, [00:44:38] with the whole Instagram thing [00:44:40] and TikTok, uh, my [00:44:42] traditional way of [00:44:44] communicating is about 3000 word blog [00:44:46] posts. Or I read big books with [00:44:48] scientific references, [00:44:50] and then you boil it down to [00:44:52] a 32nd thing on [00:44:54] Instagram, and then you get a bunch of the people going, well, where's all [00:44:56] your references?
Like, Instagram [00:44:58] doesn't let you link out. They're destroying [00:45:00] hyperlinking because they hate [00:45:02] you. Um, but that's how people [00:45:04] are communicating. So I'm, I'm generally [00:45:06] frustrated by it, uh, and do my [00:45:08] best. I think you do too. But I wanna [00:45:10] get into some more of the biohacking [00:45:12] stuff that you and I are both interested in.[00:45:14]
Yeah. So I. One [00:45:16] side of this is, okay, what are the [00:45:18] things in the environment that we [00:45:20] could change so that we [00:45:22] change our performance? By the way, that's the [00:45:24] definition of biohacking. Change the environment around you [00:45:26] and inside of you so you have control of [00:45:28] your biology. So let's [00:45:30] get into Adiponectin [00:45:32] and let's get into [00:45:34] other compounds like it.
[00:45:36] Oh my gosh, I love that. Like maybe os Motin, [00:45:38] which a lot of people haven't even heard of talk [00:45:40] about that. Oh my
Darin: God. Oh my God, I [00:45:42] love it. So glad you brought that up. [00:45:44] So. So, uh, [00:45:46] so this is a, this is, this is [00:45:48] the thing I'm most excited about right [00:45:50] now and I'm working with the Italian [00:45:52] government and some [00:45:54] universities who've done a lot [00:45:56] of this work.
So, os motin [00:45:58] is a compound naturally [00:46:00] found in all plants [00:46:02] some higher and others. [00:46:04] And the interesting thing, most all [00:46:06] longevity researchers [00:46:08] know of os motin [00:46:10] in plants and then these [00:46:12] pathways of adiponectin in [00:46:14] our body. The [00:46:16] cool thing, and this is where I love [00:46:18] the, the, the world, we [00:46:20] have compounds and plants that [00:46:22] we ingest and they actually [00:46:24] support us in our health.
Right? Which to [00:46:26] me, it kind of blows me away. [00:46:28] Osmot. [00:46:30] Binds to adiponectin [00:46:32] pathways and improves all [00:46:34] virtually all [00:46:36] longevity markers in the body. [00:46:38] So os Motin was [00:46:40] studied and then [00:46:42] through [00:46:44] genetic sparking in the [00:46:46] plant, the plants were able [00:46:48] to make more os motin. Now [00:46:50] morros motin in the plant makes [00:46:52] defensible plants infinitely [00:46:54] greater.
So plants become super [00:46:56] strong. They don't need [00:46:58] anything outside, pesticides, herbicides, [00:47:00] all of that. So that alone is [00:47:02] amazing, but when you [00:47:04] ingest high amounts of [00:47:06] os motin it, it turns [00:47:08] on all these [00:47:10] adiponectin pathways. And [00:47:12] so shit starts reversing. [00:47:14] Mm-hmm. So there's studies [00:47:16] today, dude, that are [00:47:18] reversing [00:47:20] Parkinson's, Alzheimer's [00:47:22] dementia and [00:47:24] studies.
There's a, there's a phase two [00:47:26] trial. On a [00:47:28] LS right now. [00:47:30] Uh, and, and Parkinson's, [00:47:32] like I said, and Alzheimer's, like [00:47:34] when you have this high [00:47:36] amount of of os [00:47:38] motin, the body [00:47:40] starts to perform its own healing [00:47:42] responses. So that's what, [00:47:44] that's really where we [00:47:46] induce this high [00:47:48] active compound naturally [00:47:50] implants and it binds [00:47:52] to pathways in our body [00:47:54] and our bodies start fricking healing.[00:47:56]
It's almost like when, you know, I did a [00:47:58] lot of work around stem cells [00:48:00] and worked with one of the [00:48:02] godfathers of stem cells. And [00:48:04] it was similar to like, if you [00:48:06] support your body's. Inner [00:48:08] ecosystem, your stem cell production, you [00:48:10] can actually, you can actually toggle your [00:48:12] own endogenous stem cells quite a [00:48:14] bit.
And, and that's [00:48:16] something that most people aren't talking [00:48:18] much about, is that the stem regen guys? Is that [00:48:20] Christian DPO or someone else? No. [00:48:22] So this is a guy in the, so, [00:48:24] so Dr. Henry Young [00:48:26] was at Mercer [00:48:28] University in the eighties, [00:48:30] so he was a PhD [00:48:32] researcher, and he realized that [00:48:34] everyone was looking at all these [00:48:36] functional stem cells and there was this [00:48:38] one stem cell that they were, [00:48:40] does, does it even [00:48:42] exist?
And it's called a [00:48:44] totipotent stem cell. Dr. [00:48:46] Kahn calls it a, a, a [00:48:48] muse stem cell. But either way, [00:48:50] whatever the definition, it's, [00:48:52] it's, it's a, the [00:48:54] stem cell that is by [00:48:56] definition is [00:48:58] immortal. It can turn itself [00:49:00] into any tissue or any [00:49:02] organ because [00:49:04] most of the stem cell [00:49:06] stuff that's going on in the last 20 [00:49:08] years has been [00:49:10] grabbing a bunch of stem cells that [00:49:12] largely have already been programmed, [00:49:14] whether it's adipose [00:49:16] tissue or whatever.
They're grabbing all [00:49:18] these stem cells and then wondering why [00:49:20] stuff isn't working because they [00:49:22] don't have the right stem cell, they're not looking [00:49:24] at the right stem cell. So Dr. [00:49:26] Young was able to find it [00:49:28] circulating naturally in [00:49:30] everybody's blood. [00:49:32] Take it out. Proliferate [00:49:34] more of that person's stem cell [00:49:36] and put it back into somebody's body.[00:49:38]
And, and [00:49:40] everything started, started [00:49:42] healing and, and reversing [00:49:44] and cartilage and knees would [00:49:46] replace itself. Heart disease would [00:49:48] go away. So from, [00:49:50] from os Motin? No, this [00:49:52] was, this is stem cells. So this was Oh, [00:49:54] from stem cells? Stem cell. So, [00:49:56] so, so the, anyway, so [00:49:58] I, I jumped to the, I got so [00:50:00] excited about this.
I, I got I the
Dave: [00:50:02] connection between ostin and stem cells. Does [00:50:04] Ostin drive stem cell release [00:50:06] or it just wasn't, is not a connection. [00:50:08]
Darin: Uh, there's not a connection that I know [00:50:10] of. Okay. But, but I [00:50:12] will say this, just to button up the stem cell [00:50:14] part. The, if you [00:50:16] take a couple of blueberries every, this was [00:50:18] the work that Dr.
Young did way [00:50:20] back. If you, if you ate a cup of [00:50:22] the anthocyanins from [00:50:24] blueberries for a month, your stem [00:50:26] cell, endogenous stem cell went up by [00:50:28] six times. And, and [00:50:30] then by taking bluegreen [00:50:32] algae and the todi potent stem cells [00:50:34] is, uh, is created in the [00:50:36] connective tissue. So [00:50:38] then taking bluegreen algae [00:50:40] from that 30 days [00:50:42] of blueberries would, would [00:50:44] circulate.
[00:50:46] This would take out. [00:50:48] Allow the stem cells to come out of the [00:50:50] connective tissue and start circulating, [00:50:52] then the body would choose the [00:50:54] hierarchy of its need. Mm-hmm. So if you [00:50:56] had acute injury, it would go [00:50:58] there. If you have a chronic issue, it would go [00:51:00] there, depending on your own body's [00:51:02] need. So, and then, and [00:51:04] then you have other things that can, [00:51:06] stress is not good for stem [00:51:08] cells.
High amounts of caffeine is [00:51:10] absolutely not good for stem [00:51:12] cells. Mm-hmm. Yep. So there's a bunch of [00:51:14] stuff. But anyway, back to the os Motin. The [00:51:16] os motin is this [00:51:18] incredible breakthrough [00:51:20] because in the labs [00:51:22] understanding high amounts of this [00:51:24] adiponectin from Osmo, [00:51:26] uh, they realized that, [00:51:28] oh my God, this is, but it was like, I [00:51:30] dunno, $12,000 a [00:51:32] gram.
But when they were [00:51:34] able, 20 years ago, [00:51:36] start to inducing it. [00:51:38] Into plants, then all the, all, [00:51:40] all, I have some [00:51:42] today. All they have to do then is [00:51:44] allow those plants to continue to [00:51:46] grow with high amounts. You [00:51:48] dry the, you let it grow, you dry the [00:51:50] plant, you pulverize it, and you take [00:51:52] that in. Now the chief science [00:51:54] officer of this [00:51:56] company, he had [00:51:58] fourth stage Parkinson's.
[00:52:00] He called me in 2019. [00:52:02] He put his hand up to the [00:52:04] camera and this guy, a [00:52:06] PhD, Dr. William [00:52:08] Bitney, he, uh, [00:52:10] he had, he was a medical [00:52:12] doctor, worked at MIT, [00:52:14] Stanford, you name it, a [00:52:16] huge cv. And [00:52:18] he had to retire because he [00:52:20] had violent Parkinson's. [00:52:22] He no longer, he will [00:52:24] say as a medical doctor. [00:52:26] He will, he will never say, I don't [00:52:28] have Parkinson's, but he says, [00:52:30] I exhibit no [00:52:32] symptoms of Parkinson's.
Dave: [00:52:34] Well, why would, why would, why do people do that? [00:52:36] Like, oh, like [00:52:38] I had a cold, now my [00:52:40] cold is gone. But no, I [00:52:42] still have a cold. I just have no symptoms of a [00:52:44] cold. Is this a symptom of mental [00:52:46] deficiency 'cause of some brain damage or what [00:52:48] I It's the scientist in some [00:52:50] people, they, it's, that's not a scientist.
That is, that is [00:52:52] a guy who learned that if he ever says [00:52:54] anything to be true that he might not get a [00:52:56] grant. Like that's cowardly behavior. [00:52:58] Well, maybe, but cured Parkinson's [00:53:00] own it.
Darin: Yeah, maybe, maybe. [00:53:02] But, but he, he's a, [00:53:04] but that, I mean, you're not,
Dave: you're not [00:53:06] supporting my argument here.
Darin: No, I understand. I, [00:53:08] I just know him and he is such a sweet [00:53:10] guy.
But I know, uh, [00:53:12] he, he's such a, you know, [00:53:14] again, he's, yes, he's [00:53:16] conservative because these guys are [00:53:18] scientists and they're going down the [00:53:20] path because the last thing we want to [00:53:22] do is like, come out with [00:53:24] something and not be supported in some [00:53:26] wicked science. So that's kind of where [00:53:28] he comes from. But this [00:53:30] is an in incre.
This is [00:53:32] between some of the [00:53:34] advances with NAD that [00:53:36] are happening that haven't been [00:53:38] published yet. And some [00:53:40] advances in the os motin. These things [00:53:42] are, these things are some of the most, [00:53:44] and I've seen a lot of fricking [00:53:46] plants and I've seen a lot of [00:53:48] compounds, and I've been to a lot [00:53:50] of facilities around the world.
[00:53:52] Uh, the, these, the, [00:53:54] these couple things are some of the most [00:53:56] exciting things I've seen a long time.
Dave: [00:53:58] And one of the things that's a bummer [00:54:00] is that the [00:54:02] no plants have that much [00:54:04] ostin in them. Right. [00:54:06] Um, the ones that have the [00:54:08] most are all [00:54:10] in the nightshade family. Yep. [00:54:12] Um, which means they're the highest in [00:54:14] lectins.
And then the next highest [00:54:16] ones are in the most aggressive of [00:54:18] the bean family, like fava beans, [00:54:20] which also have lectins and [00:54:22] usually phytic acid [00:54:24] and, uh, usually oxalates. [00:54:26] So it, it, it's almost like [00:54:28] the plants that have the [00:54:30] most plant toxins also [00:54:32] have the most ostin. [00:54:34] And then there's a company that makes a [00:54:36] supplement for it.
But [00:54:38] sadly, instead of selling the [00:54:40] supplement, it looks like they're trying to make it into a [00:54:42] drug. Right. So you can't buy it yet, or is there a [00:54:44] way to buy an Ostin supplement that I couldn't [00:54:46] find?
Darin: Yeah, the, you really [00:54:48] can't buy it yet because it's all [00:54:50] research based, uh, [00:54:52] material. But but that's what we're trying to [00:54:54] solve and I'm, I'm [00:54:56] heavily involved in, in, in [00:54:58] solving that, and it's just a matter [00:55:00] of, and we've isolated how to grow.
It's [00:55:02] really supply at this point too. [00:55:04] Okay. You're working with [00:55:06] the people on that. Okay. Good deal. Yeah. [00:55:08] Yeah. And, and to your point, like, [00:55:10] listen, like yeah, I mean, [00:55:12] it, it is a wild kingdom [00:55:14] of, of whatever's going [00:55:16] on with plants too, [00:55:18] because, but, but from my perspective, [00:55:20] I'm not too concerned with, [00:55:22] with lectin and [00:55:24] oxalates.
Uh. [00:55:26] I think you would be concerned if [00:55:28] all you're eating are those [00:55:30] things. And, and, [00:55:32] and if you have current kidney damage, [00:55:34] I think for the most part, a [00:55:36] well-balanced diet with a few of these thrown [00:55:38] in, there's no nothing to worry [00:55:40] about. But yeah, it is interesting. And [00:55:42] even tobacco has high amount, higher [00:55:44] amounts of o of [00:55:46] Osmo and which is interesting, right?
So, [00:55:48] um, you know, and that's [00:55:50] been, that's been [00:55:52] demonized a little bit in the chemical nature [00:55:54] of how they've created that. And I think, [00:55:56] I think tobacco's, there's a [00:55:58] reason why the Native Americans use [00:56:00] tobacco quite a bit and it was quite [00:56:02] powerful. And obviously now I like to see the [00:56:04] nicotine support that's coming [00:56:06] out that's cleaner and, and [00:56:08] more effective, but.
I, I [00:56:10] think, dude, I, I've spent a [00:56:12] lifetime looking at plants and I'm [00:56:14] just blown away every day. It's, [00:56:16] it's, it's really cool.
Dave: [00:56:18] Does nicotine have
Darin: ostin [00:56:20] in it? I don't think it does, does it? Not [00:56:22] Nico? No, not nicotine. Okay. But the t the [00:56:24] tobacco plant,
Dave: yeah,
Darin: tobacco [00:56:26] plant
Dave: does,
Darin: has, has,
Dave: yeah. So [00:56:28] maybe I should start chewing organic [00:56:30] tobacco instead of using the nicotine lozenge I'm [00:56:32] doing right now is, so you're, you're telling me that [00:56:34] I should have heavy metals instead [00:56:36] of EMFs and I should start smoking if [00:56:38] what I'm hearing out, Darren, I, that's not, [00:56:40]
Darin: what's wrong with [00:56:42] that, Dave?
I mean, [00:56:44] come on. No, [00:56:46] actually, I, I grow, [00:56:48] I have, I have my own garden out here, and I [00:56:50] grow for a couple [00:56:52] reasons. I have, I have three tobacco [00:56:54] plants,
Dave: you know, I did that in my, on my [00:56:56] regenerative farm. They're great for fighting, [00:56:58] uh, insects, right? Yeah.
Darin: [00:57:00] Yeah. And, and do you use nicotine? [00:57:02] I, I, I, yeah. [00:57:04] I, I've started too here and there, [00:57:06] and I think it's.
I [00:57:08] largely just didn't even think about it [00:57:10] forever, and then I started looking at the research. [00:57:12] It was very compelling [00:57:14] and I started grabbing leaves since just [00:57:16] start chewing on myself. And I [00:57:18] listen admittedly, so when I was playing [00:57:20] college football, right before I had a [00:57:22] career ending back injury, [00:57:24] I used to put a lot of [00:57:26] just straight.
[00:57:28] Leaf and play, [00:57:30] play in a game. I don't know what I [00:57:32] was thinking, but I had a moment [00:57:34] where I did that.
Dave: Are there [00:57:36] any herbal [00:57:38] adaptogens or other things that could [00:57:40] raise either adiponectin [00:57:42] or ostin? I.
Darin: Not that [00:57:44] in terms of os motin. Os [00:57:46] motin is just, it, it's, [00:57:48] it's, it's really the [00:57:50] compound. So [00:57:52] the, the os motin levels [00:57:54] in, I haven't seen in adaptogens [00:57:56] any extra higher [00:57:58] in
Dave: is
Darin: the
Dave: highest [00:58:00] I could find.
But there's no dosing [00:58:02] information on it. What, what was that? [00:58:04] Rhodiola has the most Oh yeah, yeah. I could [00:58:06] find, but I You don't take that [00:58:08] much Rhodiola how much Osmond could be in there? I don't [00:58:10] know. Right.
Darin: You know, from my perspective, [00:58:12] if you get a wide variety of [00:58:14] plants on a consistent [00:58:16] basis, you're gonna get kind of, you know, [00:58:18] micro lo doses of os [00:58:20] motin for sure.
Um, [00:58:22] and uh, in terms [00:58:24] of adiponectin, yeah. So you're gonna [00:58:26] turn on that pathway [00:58:28] naturally within [00:58:30] diversification. Of foods and [00:58:32] diversification of whole plants, you [00:58:34] know, so, so at least [00:58:36] just on a natural level, you're, [00:58:38] you're, keep in mind everyone, if you're [00:58:40] just eating a wide variety of [00:58:42] unprocessed whole food, [00:58:44] you're gonna get a, a level [00:58:46] of o moten and add, connect and [00:58:48] support.
So
Dave: like, if you eat a, a wide [00:58:50] variety of unprocessed whole [00:58:52] food, you're getting all of [00:58:54] the wheat germ that has all [00:58:56] the, that has some good benefits and [00:58:58] also has all of the toxins in whole wheat [00:59:00] and relatively high [00:59:02] oxalate load. And if you eat a [00:59:04] wide variety of whole plant, eat the [00:59:06] rind of the watermelon, the seeds of the [00:59:08] cantaloupe.
Like what is whole [00:59:10] food? Is it, it's nonsense. Like, [00:59:12] come on. Wide variety of [00:59:14] like, what does that even mean? [00:59:16] Do you cook it? It has to be [00:59:18] raw. Like, like the reason we cook plants is to [00:59:20] reduce toxins. We ferment them, we [00:59:22] process the hell out of 'em in all of history. [00:59:24]
Darin: Until the seventies. I don't know. I gotta [00:59:26] pushback.
I mean, you're, you're talking [00:59:28] generally, we don't do that with all of our [00:59:30] plants. We only do that with the ones that we've [00:59:32] learned, so, right. I
Dave: mean, like getting rid [00:59:34] of brown rice to make it white in every [00:59:36] rice eating country and getting rid of the [00:59:38] brown part of the wheat for everyone who can afford [00:59:40] to accept the peasants.
Right.
Darin: [00:59:42] Yeah. I mean, again, [00:59:44] I I'm not so sure I, I'm working with you, but also [00:59:46] making the
Dave: point,
Speaker 4: right?
Darin: Yeah. But [00:59:48] well, again, like I, I think it's, [00:59:50] I think again, all of that [00:59:52] stuff is blown out proportion a bit [00:59:54] because Yeah, I mean, [00:59:56] if I was taking Swiss chard, which [00:59:58] I grow and which I eat, if [01:00:00] was, if I was juicing [01:00:02] that, listen, come on, do you [01:00:04] hope your kidneys, this is
Dave: fascinating.
Darin: If [01:00:06] you're juicing that and eating that every [01:00:08] day, then that might cause you [01:00:10] problems. But again, [01:00:12] from a wide variety of [01:00:14] foods on a general basis, the [01:00:16] general healthy person is [01:00:18] not gonna be affected. At [01:00:20] all. And it's not, and, and [01:00:22] also it shows to promote [01:00:24] beneficial activity in the body [01:00:26] as well. So, so not all of [01:00:28] these things are, are poisonous.
[01:00:30] It's like you can look at everything and [01:00:32] start to drill it. But [01:00:34] again, I think the, [01:00:36] you know, if you're [01:00:38] looking at Swiss chard [01:00:40] or whatever, [01:00:42] oxalate you know, deemed [01:00:44] any preparation of those things, [01:00:46] like I don't eat raw [01:00:48] Swiss chard, I saute it, and then [01:00:50] 65 to [01:00:52] 70% of those oxalates are, are [01:00:54] gone anyway.
[01:00:56] So
Dave: here's a, here's a thought for [01:00:58] you. Pathology [01:01:00] outlines, uh, studies. What do they find [01:01:02] in dead people? [01:01:04] 79% of normal appearing thyroids at [01:01:06] autopsy have oxalate crystals [01:01:08] and it increases with age. [01:01:10] I haven't seen that study. You want me to send [01:01:12] it to you? It's on Springer link. [01:01:14] Sure what, okay, say the [01:01:16] study, say the study again.
It's [01:01:18] 79% [01:01:20] of normal appearing thyroids at [01:01:22] autopsy have oxalate crystals [01:01:24] under 10 years old. There's no [01:01:26] crystals over 70 years old. It's [01:01:28] 85% prevalence [01:01:30] from what, what population [01:01:32] from where. What I [01:01:34] think is going on here [01:01:36] is that we may have lost some of our [01:01:38] gut bacteria that helps us get rid of these. [01:01:40] Um, so
Darin: without a doubt we've [01:01:42] lost a
Dave: lot.
There you go,
Darin: for sure. Within the [01:01:44] microbiome.
Dave: I'm gonna post this [01:01:46] here too, and aj [01:01:48] producer aj, will you, um, put this in our [01:01:50] show notes as well? And I'm not, like, I'm not [01:01:52] a take down, you know, [01:01:54] via, you know, debate. [01:01:56] I'm just curious about learning, and you [01:01:58] could be like, oh, that doesn't matter, and it's caused by [01:02:00] metabolic, whatever.
Or they all have xylitol. [01:02:02] Like, I don't know, but like, [01:02:04] I'm asking questions because I'm [01:02:06] genuinely curious and 'cause I've [01:02:08] known, I've noticed that when [01:02:10] I learned how to [01:02:12] modulate the amount of this I get from plants that [01:02:14] all of the musculoskeletal pain that I've had [01:02:16] my entire life went away. I'm like, [01:02:18] okay, that's kind of a
Darin: big deal.
[01:02:20] Well, again, you know, you, you know [01:02:22] this. It's so. I've [01:02:24] gotten humbled over the years of [01:02:26] everything is so complex [01:02:28] and that you brought up a very good [01:02:30] point. The microbiome. [01:02:32] If, if, if [01:02:34] it is you and [01:02:36] I, 'cause we probably eat [01:02:38] a little differently. If you and I were [01:02:40] sitting down eating the same meal. [01:02:42] I am uptaking a [01:02:44] lot more from probably the [01:02:46] plants and my Swiss chard than you are [01:02:48] because my microbiome [01:02:50] has adapted to those [01:02:52] foods and that has taken some time.
[01:02:54] So right or wrong, that [01:02:56] you can eat, be eating the same amount of [01:02:58] food. You can eat [01:03:00] eating exactly the same amount of [01:03:02] food and what your [01:03:04] microbiome is ingesting and [01:03:06] pooping out and transforming and [01:03:08] transmutating is all based [01:03:10] on on, then [01:03:12] that inform [01:03:14] nutrition and information is [01:03:16] absorbed into your body because it's not, it's [01:03:18] not the food that's going directly to [01:03:20] your body.
The, obviously it's your [01:03:22] food going to the microbiome and the [01:03:24] microbiome's going through that food and [01:03:26] then it's, then it's transferred [01:03:28] into the body, so. This is [01:03:30] so goddamn [01:03:32] complex that, [01:03:34] that I I, I [01:03:36] always take, again, I I don't [01:03:38] mean to be flippant with the [01:03:40] diversification of food. I just really mean that.
[01:03:42] And I have, I have practiced [01:03:44] that in my life and [01:03:46] and I, again, I'm not [01:03:48] suggesting anyone would [01:03:50] eat raw beans or, [01:03:52] or eat Swiss chard [01:03:54] from the, and just have Swiss charred smoothies [01:03:56] every day. Like, like, yeah. [01:03:58] Like, that's just a dumb idea. [01:04:00] Anyway, we're aligned
Dave: on that. [01:04:02] Yeah. And I, I know we're coming up on the end of the [01:04:04] show and I, I, I think your work is, [01:04:06] is fantastic.
Uh, you and [01:04:08] I probably will never agree on Swiss [01:04:10] Char. I'll eat it if I'm starving to death. I [01:04:12] don't even eat it that much, but [01:04:14] it's fine. Yeah, right. But, oh, like, [01:04:16] it doesn't matter if we agree on that or not. [01:04:18] So I, I deeply [01:04:20] appreciate the work you're doing both on the environmental [01:04:22] side and on the nutritional side, and [01:04:24] just paying attention to this.
What are the toxins we can [01:04:26] eliminate? Your website is super [01:04:28] life.com. You work with [01:04:30] NuCalm n uc, a [01:04:32] lm.com, and Fatal [01:04:34] Conveniences is your book. And [01:04:36] I, yeah, I appreciate the conversation very [01:04:38] much. It's been super fun. [01:04:40]
Darin: Yeah, man. Stoked, stoked [01:04:42] to to bat the ball around a little [01:04:44] bit. Oh yeah. Good time. This, this is great.
Dave: [01:04:46] And, uh, I will start smoking, uh, after [01:04:48] this interview. Thank you. [01:04:50] Not really. [01:04:52] All right. Have a wonderful day, my friend. [01:04:54] Thanks, brother. See you [01:04:56] next time on the [01:04:58] Human Upgrade [01:05:00] Podcast.