Dave: [00:00:00] Increasing metabolic demand in a very high oxygen environment has unique [00:00:05] metabolic benefits that turn off, in some cases, tons of autoimmune inflammation. Every [00:00:10] year
Brad: past the age of 25, you lose 1% of your ability [00:00:15] to utilize oxygen. One of the major reasons for this is inflammation with. In the [00:00:20] capillaries, inflammation is at the root of basically every chronic health condition we have out there.
Host: [00:00:25] Brad Ley, founder of 1000 Roads. After being diagnosed with metastatic [00:00:30] melanoma and multiple autoimmune conditions, Brad discovered exercise with [00:00:35] oxygen therapy and restored his health. Now he's made this powerful healing tool accessible [00:00:40] for home use, helping thousands of others on their healing journeys.
Brad: There's a lot of [00:00:45] research out. There that shows anywhere in your body you have low [00:00:50] oxygen, you have inflammation, and anywhere you have inflammation, you have low oxygen. How
Dave: did you [00:00:55] get into this strange idea that you should breathe a lot of oxygen while you're exercising? [00:01:00] You are listening to the human upgrade with Davey.[00:01:05]
You might have heard me talk about being 300 pounds in my [00:01:10] early twenties. And I did everything you could possibly do. And [00:01:15] I went really deep on all the bizarre stuff. And I was living in a small farming town in [00:01:20] Northern California and I went to the 24 Hour Fitness, and it was called Nautilus back [00:01:25] then.
And I said, I'm gonna work out six days a week, 90 minutes a day, no matter [00:01:30] what. It doesn't matter if I'm tired, I'm sick, I'm just gonna go. And it's gonna be non-negotiable 'cause I have to lose this a [00:01:35] hundred pounds. I do not want another knee surgery. So one of the things I learned [00:01:40] about was something called e watt.
It was very unknown. [00:01:45] This would've been 1995, maybe. Uh, something like that, maybe even [00:01:50] 1994. And. I was like, how do I do this? I went to Craigslist and I bought an [00:01:55] oxygen cylinder that was full of oxygen, 'cause medical oxygen is very well controlled. And I [00:02:00] went to the gym and I brought in this big oxygen cylinder and I got on the treadmill [00:02:05] and I put the oxygen mask on, like I had emphysema and I'm this, you know, fat [00:02:10] early twenties kid on the treadmill, sweating my butt off, breathing through an oxygen mask and thinking [00:02:15] I must be the stupidest looking person in the gym.
A little did I know that I was just the coolest, biohacker, [00:02:20] just, uh, I was ahead of my time maybe, but that was my first, uh, learning [00:02:25] about e watt or exercise with oxygen, oxygen therapy, and it's something I've experimented [00:02:30] with ever since. We have a similar technology at Upgrade labs today, so I wanted to go deep [00:02:35] with you on this episode and bringing an expert who's really, really learned what [00:02:40] happens when we.
Change the intensity of what goes into our bodies and change the type of [00:02:45] oxygen. This is not hyperbaric. It's something different, and I think it's gonna be a really [00:02:50] fascinating interview about mitochondria, metabolism, respiration, and all the other [00:02:55] cool stuff that underlies everything we do as biohackers and as human beings.
Our [00:03:00] guest today is Brad Ley, and he is. By, [00:03:05] we'll say by necessity, decided to learn about ott. Brad, [00:03:10] welcome to the show. Hey, thanks so much Dave. I appreciate it. You've been talking about this relatively [00:03:15] unknown mitochondrial hack. Uh, you've been on Born to Heal and Tick Bootcamp, [00:03:20] and you started building OTT systems and started your company [00:03:25] 1000 Roads back in 2018.
How did you get [00:03:30] into this strange idea that you should breathe a lot of oxygen while you're exercising?
Brad: You're right. Uh, [00:03:35] necessity is the mother of all invention, and mine was nonetheless. Um, [00:03:40] I had weird autoimmune conditions my whole life. And then [00:03:45] in 2010 timeframe I was diagnosed with autoimmune [00:03:50] arthritis, and it started to get progressively worse.
They put me on all the [00:03:55] drugs and they would help for a while, and then when they stopped working six months later, I'd be in a worse [00:04:00] condition. A lot of those drugs, they they suppress your immune system. 'cause your immune system causes [00:04:05] all the symptoms of the autoimmunity. So the theory is suppress the immune system and then the [00:04:10] symptoms go away.
And I was doing that and like I said, I'd be better and then I'd [00:04:15] step two more steps down after they'd stop working. And then all of a [00:04:20] sudden I, I had this weird little patch on my shoulder and I went and saw the dermatologist and it ended up [00:04:25] being melanoma. And this a side effect of, of. [00:04:30] The medications is they can cause a high risk of cancer and specifically [00:04:35] melanoma.
So I went back to my rheumatologist and I said, so what do I do here, doc, if I take, [00:04:40] keep taking these meds, I'm gonna get cancer and die of it. But if I don't take him, I'm [00:04:45] gonna die of the autoimmunity. I'm like, you know, I'm a I at this time I was a father of three children and I was like, [00:04:50] I, I, you know, I can't die.
That's not an option. So [00:04:55] he didn't have much of a really good answer for me. It was like, Hey, we're just gonna give you more of the [00:05:00] same. And may, you know, kind of hope for the best. And so that started me down the rabbit hole of [00:05:05] alternate wellness practices and trying to find another way out to your point, like there was, [00:05:10] there was no traditional medical way out.
And so finally I [00:05:15] got sicker and sicker, and it was probably in about 2016, I went and saw this, [00:05:20] um, this. This doctor who practiced alternate health practice and he said, Brad, you're [00:05:25] in a really bad way and you need to try something. You either need to try hyperbaric [00:05:30] oxygen. Or you need to try exercise with oxygen therapy.
And I had never heard of [00:05:35] it. Kind of like you, like it was, it's no one had heard of it. And so I [00:05:40] immediately looked into hyperbaric oxygen, but it was very expensive and very time [00:05:45] consuming, and I was already kind of like fighting for my job. I didn't have any energy. I had brain fog. I [00:05:50] had pain all over.
Really bad pain and I just knew I didn't have an [00:05:55] hour and a half to spend inside of a tube and I didn't have the 75 grand. We were talking the [00:06:00] hard shell hyperbaric, like the intense stuff. And I didn't have that kind of money. [00:06:05] So I was like, well, let me look at this EWT thing. And, um, [00:06:10] started to research it.
Sounded promising, but there wasn't much on the internet. There weren't people [00:06:15] talking about how they were using it and getting better. Um, there was only the company selling it, and a lot [00:06:20] of the, a lot of it was marketing material that quite frankly had a lot of hyperbole in [00:06:25] it. And I just, I didn't have a lot of confidence and they were pretty high priced and I just [00:06:30] wasn't willing to spend $10,000 on an experiment when every experiment I had tried had [00:06:35] failed.
So. I always joke, I'm a recovering engineer. I started my career in [00:06:40] engineering and so I, um, at this point I was no longer in [00:06:45] engineering, but I said to put that degree back to work and I kind of just designed my own system [00:06:50] and lo and behold, and I, a year later I saw that same doctor and I was getting better and he said, [00:06:55] oh, are you doing the oxygen?
And I'm like, I am. And he said, well, you know. [00:07:00] Who'd you buy it from? So I can tell my other patients about it. And I said, I actually just made my own [00:07:05] doc. And he looked at me like I was crazy. And then he said, after apologies, he's like, [00:07:10] would you consider making 'em for my patients? And that was kind of the birth of the idea.
It was like, well, I'd [00:07:15] never thought about it, but I had, I came in at, you know, it was kind of [00:07:20] like this. Wanting to pay back because I had felt taken advantage of by so many [00:07:25] wellness practices where they wanted me to pay 25 grand or more to [00:07:30] experiment with this modality or that or, and it just felt like it's very difficult [00:07:35] when you're in a chronic health condition.
And you're outside the medical standard. You, you yeah. [00:07:40] Mold and
Dave: Lyme and all, all that stuff. Same. Same with me. There's a reason I say I spent two and a half million [00:07:45] dollars reversing my age. The first half a million dollars was just getting well from chronic autoimmunity and [00:07:50] toxic mold and all this stuff, right?
And, and so I'm lucky [00:07:55] I made enough money in my twenties despite my brain being cooked, um, that I could do that. And [00:08:00] without that, I think I would have. Had lupus or ms, and certainly I'd be disabled. [00:08:05] So that's one of the things that motivates me to have you on the show is like, let's tell everybody about [00:08:10] this.
And like, you, like I, I think it's kind of ridiculous. There's one [00:08:15] vendor of OT. Charge a huge amount of money for basically a big trash bag. [00:08:20] And it's, it's just like, not, not the way I would go about doing it. What I wanna know [00:08:25] is, uh, and by the way, this is full disclosure. I've had a soft sided chamber for 18 years [00:08:30] hyperbaric, and I have a hard sided chamber downstairs.
I'm a fan of hyperbaric and I'm a fan of EW Watt. [00:08:35] Um, and in fact, I'm a ch, I'm a fan of even, um, doing the intermittent versions of it. [00:08:40] So. I mean, you could have gone out there and spent 10 grand on a big trash bag, but why didn't you, you [00:08:45] know, what, what, what made you decide to build it yourself?
Brad: Well, the first thing was I just didn't [00:08:50] believe in it.
Be honest, I didn't believe in it. 'cause I have tried everything at this point. I mean, [00:08:55] diets, supplements, all sorts of modalities, you know, and, and at, at one [00:09:00] point the doctor said, oh, I'm gonna give you the big guns. We're gonna do ozone treatment. And by the way, all these things are great [00:09:05] things and I'm not putting 'em down.
They just didn't work for me. So when I was looking at, you know, [00:09:10] 10,000 or plus dollars, it, it just wasn't palpable for me. To [00:09:15] spend that kind of money on an experiment that like at the end of it, I was gonna make no better [00:09:20] now. Now what do I do? So I started researching it and kind of to your point, [00:09:25] like I, I knew I could, I could do this better.
And I think there's a couple things [00:09:30] I saw wrong with the industry. One was, it was a lot of hyperbole and I just wish someone [00:09:35] would bring me some science. I wish someone would bring me. Real people [00:09:40] talking about it so that I could hear from other people using it and have some confidence in it. You know, the market [00:09:45] back then, like when you started the market, was primarily these companies selling to [00:09:50] chiropractor's, offices and wellness clinics.
That's a small universe. And [00:09:55] so it makes sense that they had to charge high prices in order to make it a viable [00:10:00] business. And my thought was, well, what if we just, we just trashed that price and brought it way [00:10:05] down? Then we could extend this out to people. And the other thing [00:10:10] about it is the most effective oxygen therapy, the most effective [00:10:15] wellness modality, regardless, is the one you can do consistently over time.[00:10:20]
And so. If you can, you know, and that's what I loved about this. It was [00:10:25] 15 minutes a day is all it takes to do ot. And if you could bring the price down so people could do it in their [00:10:30] home, they didn't need to go to a center. That's something most of us can do. Um, [00:10:35] and you know this Dave, like when you're chronically ill and you're taking the supplements and doing all the [00:10:40] modalities, every one of 'em only takes you 25 minutes counting pills and this until you're [00:10:45] like, holy cow.
My entire calendar is all this stuff all day and I feel great for that last [00:10:50] 10 minutes and then back to bed and back to square one. So it's like, I was called the [00:10:55] ceremonies and so like, there's too many ceremonies when you're, when you're sick, trying to get well. And [00:11:00] so anything that was, you could do in a very quick.
Period of time and it would had multiple [00:11:05] positive impacts. That was amazing for me.
Dave: Now you understand why Upgrade labs [00:11:10] exists for if you're a new listener. This is my franchise company where we have about a dozen [00:11:15] biohacking modalities in the same place for a single membership fee because I had to build a million [00:11:20] dollar biohacking lab in my barn because I don't have time to drive everywhere, or you just couldn't get it where I lived.[00:11:25]
And so like, no one should have to do that. And the idea that the thing you need to do every day, [00:11:30] just do it at home. And, and I also wanna point out, Brad, a lot of the biohacks that [00:11:35] we're using, they go back at least to Tesla. Like if we're looking at electrical things or some of the [00:11:40] PEMF and some of it much longer, like Pliny, the elder [00:11:45] from way back in the day was using electric eels to cure migraines, right?
So [00:11:50] we, we have this long history of biohacking, but Iwat only was [00:11:55] invented in East Germany in the 1960s. Right. So this is a very [00:12:00] new thing that just didn't exist. In fact, hyperbaric has existed longer that, that's why it's so unknown. It takes a long time for [00:12:05] things that work to get out there. And so it was invented in the sixties, but the [00:12:10] book on it only came out in 1990, right?
I was doing it in 1994 because I know I got a [00:12:15] futurist or something. I, I, I found out about it from the longevity nonprofit stuff I was doing. Said I [00:12:20] gotta try this, and I ran out of oxygen and found I could not refill it. [00:12:25] Oxygen is incredibly restricted here in the system that you make. Where'd you get the
Brad: [00:12:30] oxygen?
That's a great question. So we use a device called an oxygen concentrator, and [00:12:35] effectively what it does is it takes the air, your breathing, that's at 21% oxygen and it [00:12:40] purifies it to 93% oxygen. 93 is the medical spec they [00:12:45] use. So these are the same sorts of machines that people have, like COPD, [00:12:50] uh, or emphysema would use in their home when they need supplemental oxygen.
Dave: Uh, it's exactly. [00:12:55] How to do it. By the way, anyone who had one of your systems during. [00:13:00] The pandemic had oxygen. Right? So when, when it looked like there was a lung issue, I'm like, well, I have two oxygen [00:13:05] concentrators at home. And I just bought all the welding oxygen that was around me. So I'm like, I have enough oxygen to treat my [00:13:10] whole neighborhood if, if they're, if, if they need it.
Because gonna, the hospital probably is a good way to die at the [00:13:15] time.
Brad: Yeah. And these machines, they just last, I mean, if you get an oxygen concentrator [00:13:20] for, for the purpose of wot, because we're only using it a small number of hours a day, it, for it to [00:13:25] last a decade is not, is nothing the bad an eyelash yet?[00:13:30]
Dave: The idea here is understand changing [00:13:35] the amount of oxygen that you breathe during intense exercise. It's a big deal. [00:13:40] Right.
Brad: Why does it work? That's an awesome question. So as you mentioned, there was a [00:13:45] gentleman named Van Arden in the 1960s and seventies who did some research, and [00:13:50] he's the same guy who invented the scanning electron microscope.
He's about 600 patents to [00:13:55] his name, just prolific inventor, super smart. He was in part of the commercialization of the [00:14:00] first CRT TV sets in the 1930s, so really smart guy. He got [00:14:05] very interested in oxygen and particularly oxygen for anti-cancer purposes, and [00:14:10] he started doing this research. And so here's the thing that happens every [00:14:15] year past the age of 25, you lose 1% of your ability [00:14:20] to utilize oxygen, and most of us don't like notice this.
[00:14:25] Right off the bat. So 26 and 30, you don't necessarily notice it, but that's the reason why [00:14:30] you're at a lower energy state when you're in your sixties than you were in your twenties. [00:14:35] And so what he found is the reason, one of the major reasons for this is [00:14:40] inflammation with the capillaries. And so as we get older, [00:14:45] we hear this term inflammaging.
And so this inflammaging builds up [00:14:50] inside of our capillaries, and it actually pinches the capillary shut so the red blood cells can't get [00:14:55] through. And all of your cells downstream go from aerobic respiration [00:15:00] to anaerobic respiration where they're using glucose in the absence of oxygen to [00:15:05] produce energy.
Now. There's a problem with that. If you look at [00:15:10] compare aerobic respiration to anaerobic respiration, aerobic respiration [00:15:15] produces about 16 times as much energy. So now you've got this [00:15:20] cell that's kind of on life support. It has to cut out non-essential [00:15:25] functions. Things like taking out the trash.
It just lets all this metabolic waste build up inside the cell [00:15:30] walls. It, it's at a low energy state. What he found was [00:15:35] that by doing ey, a couple things happen. First, we start saturating our [00:15:40] blood plasma with oxygen. And now the way our blood [00:15:45] works is we got these red and white blood cells that float in this clearish brown liquid called blood plasma.[00:15:50]
The red blood cells normally carry like 98% of our oxygen, [00:15:55] and the blood plasma has very little. But when you're doing wo because of the massive amount of [00:16:00] oxygen you're bringing in, you actually start to saturate this blood plasma. And while the [00:16:05] red blood cells can't get through, the blood plasma is much thinner and it can get [00:16:10] through there and start oxygenating the cells downstream.
Things that have been choked [00:16:15] off from oxygen for perhaps a long time. And then the second thing it does is it [00:16:20] creates an anti-inflammatory effect and it actually causes the linings of those [00:16:25] capillaries to to reestablish normal blood flow. And so he [00:16:30] had some elderly folks do. A few sessions of E wat and then he had 'em come back like [00:16:35] three months later and he, he measured 'em and he saw that there was a durable change.[00:16:40]
It wasn't just opening these capillaries while they were doing e wat, it continued to remain [00:16:45] open and it, it reestablished more youthful blood flow. And so that's [00:16:50] more youthful oxygenation of your cells. It reignites, [00:16:55] mitochondrial biogenesis and ramps it up. So that is the root of [00:17:00] it. One of the most powerful thing, it does so many things.
So [00:17:05] oxygen is intensely anti-inflammatory. So there's a lot of [00:17:10] research out there that shows anywhere in your body [00:17:15] you have low oxygen, you have inflammation. Anywhere you have [00:17:20] inflammation, you have low oxygen, you can't have one without the other. So obviously when you start flooding [00:17:25] your tissues with oxygen, you're creating this powerful anti-inflammatory effect, [00:17:30] not just in your capillaries but everywhere.
And so, as I'm sure all your listeners [00:17:35] know, inflammation is at the root of basically every chronic health condition we have out there. So [00:17:40] that's the first thing. It's anti-aging, it's anti-inflammatory. Obviously it's important [00:17:45] for energy. It increases our energy production, and that's not just about us feeling like clearheaded and, and [00:17:50] having energy for the day.
That's about your liver, your brain, your skin, all of them doing the [00:17:55] things they need to do at their best. And then. The last thing [00:18:00] really I, I think is really potent about it is it's power for [00:18:05] detoxification. The one thing I don't hear many people talk about, which surprises me, is actually 70% of your [00:18:10] body's detoxification actually happens through your lungs.
That's your biggest detox organ. And [00:18:15] so obviously breathing in and out, oxygen is helping there, but oxygen helps [00:18:20] detox in a variety of ways. We talked about. Your body being in a low energy state and building up [00:18:25] all these toxins inside the cell wall. Well, when you flood them with oxygen and they [00:18:30] reenergize, they can start dumping all these toxins out.
Once they, once they get out into [00:18:35] the system, you're doing exercise, which is really the power of eod. It's that [00:18:40] synergy of massive amounts of oxygen and all of the benefits of exercise [00:18:45] and. So what happens is now you're moving your lymphatic system [00:18:50] around, you're moving your lymph fluid, so you're moving that stuff around.
And then lastly, when you have [00:18:55] toxins in your system, you need to oxidize them, which is you use oxygen in a [00:19:00] reaction to break them down into simpler substances that allow your excretory [00:19:05] organs to, to move them outta your body. We're doing all of these things [00:19:10] simultaneously. And so that's really the power is anti-inflammation, detoxification, more [00:19:15] energy, uh, all at once when
Dave: people are using your LEO [00:19:20] system.
What does it look like? Like you, you put a mask on, you're on a treadmill. [00:19:25] How long do you go? Like what, what does the protocol look like?
Brad: Yeah, and it's, it's really relatively simple. [00:19:30] So the equipment looks like an oxygen concentrator is this device that's probably a foot and a [00:19:35] half tall, and it's maybe a foot and a half wide by a, a foot thick, if you will, [00:19:40] and you plug it into the wall and it's got oxygen tubing coming out.
The challenge with [00:19:45] these devices is they don't produce nearly enough oxygen for you. So we, the two systems I [00:19:50] talked about, one produces 10 liters a minute, and the other one produces five liters of oxygen a [00:19:55] minute. When you're exercising, you can breathe in like 50 or [00:20:00] 60 liters of oxygen a minute, quite easily.
And so what we do is we use, [00:20:05] rather than try to ha gang up 10 of these machines on you and, and you know, watch your, your power [00:20:10] grid fail. What we do is we have one machine and we use it to fill a large reservoir. [00:20:15] So this, in our case, it's a, it's a, a what looks like a bag, which is like six feet [00:20:20] wide and five and a half feet tall.
Our, our reservoir can hold a thousand liters. [00:20:25] So if you think about a two liter bottle of soda, you know it's 500 of those. So it's a lot of oxygen. [00:20:30] So we fill that reservoir up. And then from there there's a hose that comes to a [00:20:35] mask that you wear and. You, basically just you. That's what the equipment [00:20:40] looks like as far as the protocol.
You put that mask on and you do 15 minutes of [00:20:45] cardiovascular exercise with the mask on, and you're breathing 93% pure [00:20:50] oxygen. We have it designed with a specific. Two-way valve. So one [00:20:55] valve opens when you're breathing in pure oxygen, and then when you breathe out it shuts. So none of [00:21:00] your exhale gases go back in the reservoir.
They, they exit out a separate, uh, [00:21:05] valve into the room. And in that way the next breath is also 93%. And so we're keeping it a [00:21:10] high percentage of oxygen for that period of time. Now that people [00:21:15] can easily use 900 plus liters of that reservoir in a 15 minute [00:21:20] session. And. To give you a feel for how much oxygen that is.[00:21:25]
That's about the same amount of oxygen a person uses at rest in like 14 hours. You said you've [00:21:30] got soft shell and hard shell. It's comparable to spending an hour in a hard shell chamber sort of thing. [00:21:35] So it's a massive amount of oxygen and we're able to do it quickly because of the [00:21:40] synergies of exercise and all the.
Physiological changes that occur in our [00:21:45] body when we're exercising.
Dave: So you get this surge of oxygen and you said 15 minutes. [00:21:50] Is this like zone two? Are you doing high intensity intervals? Like what's the protocol you like? [00:21:55]
Brad: So for me, uh, what I, we deal with a lot of folks with chronic illness and [00:22:00] some of them it can only start with like walking or stretching or, and some of [00:22:05] them, if they're very sick, oftentimes.
What can happen at the very beginning, [00:22:10] particularly for sick people, is they can have a detoxification reaction. All of a sudden, your cells start dumping [00:22:15] all this toxic waste. It overwhelms your elimination organs. So for folks who are [00:22:20] very sick, we kind of say, you kind of, you kind of walk into this, so to speak, no pun intended, but you kind of [00:22:25] start slow and build up to that 15 minutes.
And, but the end state kind of intensity we like for [00:22:30] folks is about 70 to 80% of your theoretical max heart rate. And you wanna try to hit [00:22:35] that for that 15 minutes, that's pretty hard to do for most people. Yes. Well, and that's the other thing [00:22:40] we do tell folks is we say. You know, perfection is the enemy of progress in this sort of [00:22:45] thing.
So if you're doing it, you're gonna get benefits. Go out and do your best. The thing [00:22:50] is, when you're exercising with oxygen, it's much easier. And you, [00:22:55] so, and I always give this example, like when I started doing it. And you, you can attest to this, [00:23:00] Dave, is I would do my elliptical at a, at a resistance of 12, which was pretty [00:23:05] stiff at the time.
And then I threw that mask on and immediately I had to go up to 13 and 14. [00:23:10] And then a month later I had to go up to 15. And today, you know, I do it at like a 17 and it doesn't feel [00:23:15] any different from when I used to do it at a 12. So your endurance improves and your, [00:23:20] your ability to perform exercise improves dramatically.
As a matter of fact, a [00:23:25] lot of the research on Wot was done by, by, you know, the, the US Olympic [00:23:30] team and some Russian Olympic teams. So there's a ton of research on it, improving athletic import [00:23:35] performance.
Dave: It's funny, a lot of the biohacks came out of Russia and East Germany during the [00:23:40] Olympics in the, in the eighties.
They were just willing to do all the crazy stuff and, you know, some of the [00:23:45] fundamental things like whole body vibration came outta that. And then nasa, some of the stuff around lasers and [00:23:50] certainly this oxygen stuff. So there's a lot of research done early on on [00:23:55] it. And it's uh, it's basically a 15 minute workout.
And I've seen people do it with [00:24:00] high intensity interval training. And I've also seen people do, you know, two [00:24:05] minutes on, one minute off and all kinds of different protocols. How do you know which ones are the best ones? It really
Brad: [00:24:10] depends on your goal. Okay. So a lot of, uh, I start from a place of people with [00:24:15] chronic illness 'cause I have a lot of empathy for that.
If you're dealing with chronic illness. Uh, none, [00:24:20] none of this hit stuff. I mean, we don't want you to wear your body out. We're trying to heal your body from the inside [00:24:25] out. So it's, this isn't about killing it, this is about getting your heart rate up for an [00:24:30] extended period of time. What we're really trying to do with ey, like I said, it's about the physiological [00:24:35] changes.
When, when you start exercising, your body immediately recognizes it [00:24:40] does not have enough oxygen to produce the energy to keep the exercise up. [00:24:45] Compensates, you start breathing heavier, deeper more frequently your heart starts [00:24:50] beating deeper and more frequently you have vasodilation. All these [00:24:55] compensatory things happen to allow your body to carry more oxygen, and we are effectively.[00:25:00]
Hijacking, all of those changes to bring a massive amount of oxygen into your [00:25:05] body in a short period of time. So what you wanna do is you wanna get your heart rate up [00:25:10] and you wanna get your blood pumping. And that's really what we're going for. And then, and it's not about [00:25:15] perfection, it's about progress.
So that's for on the chronic illness side. Now, [00:25:20] if you're a high performer looking to get the best out of it, there's two great [00:25:25] ways to use EY or two great benefits, and there's kind of a little bit of a different use for each. [00:25:30] One is it'll improve your vo O2 max. It'll improve your [00:25:35] endurance, it'll improve the intensity at which you can work out.
So you're, what you want to [00:25:40] do is you want to, you wanna do OT when you're doing some of those intensity sessions. So I mentioned [00:25:45] myself. I went from a resistance 12 to resistance 17. Now there's days I, [00:25:50] I don't fill the reservoir and I, I go out to go do my workout. And it's not filled, and I still [00:25:55] go do it at 17.
So it's not like I need that mass to do it. I've, I've built that endurance. [00:26:00] So you wanna do it on those, those push days and, and really help push yourself. 'cause you're gonna be able [00:26:05] to do more work and train your muscles to do more and get your system going and more [00:26:10] mitochondrial, biogenesis and all that.
The second way, equally as [00:26:15] powerful for people who are looking for high performance is to use it for recovery. [00:26:20] So when your body runs out of oxygen and it switches to anaerobic respiration, it produces a [00:26:25] massive amount of waste products including lactic acid, which is what makes our muscles sore. When [00:26:30] we use, when we use oxygen.
It actually, you need oxygen to break down [00:26:35] lactic acid, and so when you do it for recovery, it helps you so you can get to [00:26:40] the next thing more. More quickly. And my example there is like [00:26:45] weightlifting, I'll wi I'll lift weights a couple times a week and I'll do wot right [00:26:50] afterwards, but if I miss a week or two because I'm traveling or something's come up, [00:26:55] I, I never get muscle soreness, which is like shocking to me.
'cause when I was like 33, [00:27:00] if I missed a week and a half and I tried to come back, that hurt. So it's, it's kind of the [00:27:05] magic of oxygen. So. It, it's those two places where you wanna use it. You wanna use it to push, to [00:27:10] improve your performance, and you wanna use it for recovery to help get yourself [00:27:15] back for that next session sooner.
Dave: How do people feel when they do it? Some of the targets for biohacking, things [00:27:20] like brain fog energy levels, VO two max, HRV. How, how would I know what's [00:27:25] working?
Brad: You know, the interesting thing is we have a lot of folks, you know, obviously we have a lot of folks who are [00:27:30] biohacking and doing it, and many of 'em come back to us and just say, this is my favorite thing.
'cause it's the [00:27:35] most noticeable results. We have folks who get on and immediately they noticed a, a, a [00:27:40] boost in energy, in clear headedness, uh, and, and in sleep quality. [00:27:45] Those things they'll notice right away or they'll notice they're able to do more exercise than they've been able to do [00:27:50] before. Some people don't notice that I was actually in the former camp where, or in the [00:27:55] latter camp, excuse me, where I didn't notice any benefits from OP because I was so sick [00:28:00] that it took about three months before I started to notice the benefits.
Because I had so much in, [00:28:05] I was described like a bathtub filled with inflammation. I was draining it. And you just don't notice it's [00:28:10] draining until it kind of comes down to a level. You're like, wait a second. Wasn't this thing to the top, it's now eight inches [00:28:15] down sort of thing. So it kind of depends.
Most folks will notice [00:28:20] something within a few weeks. You'll notice clear headedness, you'll notice energy, you'll notice [00:28:25] sleep, and you'll notice better athletic performance. That's, uh, that's pretty noticeable. The [00:28:30] day of it though. You ought to feel like clearing of brain
Dave: fog, right?
Brad: Yes. A lot. A lot of folks, [00:28:35] myself included, I've noticed that where clears your brain fog.
So brain fog [00:28:40] really comes down to a lot of times inflammation in the brain. Our brain uses like. [00:28:45] 20% of our oxygen and it's only 2% of our mass. So it's the biggest oxygen consumer. [00:28:50] So when you're flooding your body with oxygen, obviously it's getting a ton of [00:28:55] oxygen. It's relieving that inflammation and it's helping your, all of your cells go back to [00:29:00] aerobic and be able to do everything they need to do.
So we do have folks who notice a lot of clear headedness. [00:29:05] I've often joked that this should be. We should put these on college campuses for the [00:29:10] kids the day after 'cause just clear their head out and clear, uh, all of the, uh, sins of yesterday out. [00:29:15] Yeah, for hangovers,
Dave: I like it. It seems like it would pair well with something like Vaskin for my friends at [00:29:20] Roy.
Supplements that open up your capillaries so you get better blood [00:29:25] flow or anything with nattokinase in it. Uh, STEM regen has something [00:29:30] like that. I think it's their mobilized product and. The idea here is more [00:29:35] liquid blood or more open capillaries would make a huge difference. While you're doing this, [00:29:40] I would want to.
Probably pre-treat if I was gonna do it. What else should people [00:29:45] do before or after they do a session on ot?
Brad: Yeah, those are [00:29:50] great ones. Those in LA nine. Anything that leads to vasodilation is, um, [00:29:55] is, is a, is an awesome idea to kind of boost the power of it. As far as [00:30:00] afterwards, there's not a whole lot you necessarily need to do, but what I do love [00:30:05] is I do love to pair it with red light, and there's a couple different ways you use it, depending on what you're [00:30:10] using it for.
So if we think, the way I think about it is. Now red [00:30:15] light basically works from an oxygen standpoint as well. A lot of folks don't [00:30:20] realize this, but OTTs all about driving oxygen supply. It's a massive amount of supply. It's [00:30:25] 14 hours worth of oxygen in 15 minutes, flooding your system, and then [00:30:30] red light kind of works on the inverse.
It's all about oxygen demand. It stimulates [00:30:35] your mitochondria to suck in oxygen and produce a TP to generate more [00:30:40] energy, to do everything. They do their best and while. TTS coming from the inside out, [00:30:45] deep within. The great thing about red light and near it for red light is it's [00:30:50] from the outside in.
And so we're hitting, if you will, that last mile delivery, so to [00:30:55] speak. And so it pairs really well with that. And there's two ways you use it. For, [00:31:00] if you're going for athletic performance I recommend you do the red light first. [00:31:05] So the reason is now all of a sudden your your mitochondria are fired up and they're ready to suck [00:31:10] in oxygen.
And now you're, you're throwing in a huge amount of supply and you're gonna [00:31:15] improve the amount of, uh, work you can do, the amount of exercise you can do in the [00:31:20] performance for people with. Chronic health conditions, it's a little bit of the opposite. I, [00:31:25] I recommend they do it afterwards. So you first flood your body with oxygen, [00:31:30] so that has all the supply.
When you get off the exercise equipment and you go lay down underneath [00:31:35] that red light or, or however you're using it, you've got that excess supply still floating [00:31:40] around and then you turn those red lights on and and generate the demand, which is pulling more of it in and it's already [00:31:45] there within your system.
Because for those folks asking for more demand when they [00:31:50] have kind of a supply problem due to inflammation, is a challenge. So that's how we stack that.
Dave: [00:31:55] Okay.
Brad: I like it.[00:32:00]
Dave: It seems like something like coq 10 might be really helpful. Anything that helps mitochondria, Mito. [00:32:05] Uh, MIT oq, uh, PQQ timeline. Like you, you should take a full [00:32:10] mitochondrial stack at the same time, shouldn't you?
Brad: You can definitely do that. What, um, [00:32:15] and all of those things can help speed up the end game is what it really comes down to, because.[00:32:20]
At the end of the day, you are supplying so much oxygen that you, [00:32:25] you generate this mitochondrial biogenesis at such a large level that it, [00:32:30] you kind of effectively, over time, you optimize. Now sometimes over [00:32:35] time, like for me. I continued to see incremental benefits from EY into my third [00:32:40] year, which I found is pretty shocking.
You know, any, you think any kind of exercise [00:32:45] program you're doing, you're gonna like level off at like six months or something. [00:32:50] Now doing something like that will probably compress the timeline. You probably won't be looking at three years. You can [00:32:55] probably bring it down to, you know, 20 months or, or two years sort of thing By something like that, what.[00:33:00]
Aging markers change when you're doing OTT
Dave: therapy.
Brad: Oh, you [00:33:05] know, obviously inflammation comes way down, which is a big one. Energy [00:33:10] production goes way up. I had, so this same, you know, [00:33:15] I'll tell my story on this one and I don't remember, I don't remember all of the age markers on this, but so [00:33:20] that same doctor who recommended OT a few years later, I went in and he says [00:33:25] maybe a year or two later, I still wasn't all the way better, but I was on the way.
And he said to [00:33:30] me, Hey, you know, I've got this new machine. It's called a bioenergy tester, and I [00:33:35] wanna have you do it. I wanna get you in my database to see what you can do. He just had a hunch. [00:33:40] So basically this was a machine where they had you, you know, basically you sat down and took your blood pressure, your heart [00:33:45] rate, your breathing rate, all these biomarkers.
And then while you're [00:33:50] resting, first thing in the morning for me, and then they put me on the bike and the nurse says, look, this bike is [00:33:55] gonna keep her aggressively increasing intensity until you fail. And fail is I think [00:34:00] your heart rate gets up to some point or. Your breathing rate, and she said, it'll take you about [00:34:05] eight to 12 minutes.
And so I said, okay. So I got on the bike and I just kept [00:34:10] going and it was eight minutes, no, 12 minutes, no big deal, 20 minutes, no big deal. Finally at like [00:34:15] 24, 25 minutes or something like that, finally it hit. And so I got off the bike and she was just [00:34:20] shocked, staring at me. She's like, what are you some sort of ultra endurance athlete?
I laughed, I'm like, [00:34:25] no, I'm, I'm definitely not doing that. I'm like, just trying to get over this chronic illness. And they. [00:34:30] Gave me all these test results and they looked at my mitochondrial [00:34:35] function. They looked at they looked at my, my, my heart health and, and you know, some of my [00:34:40] other organ health sort of thing.
And they're like, they were telling me they were quoting me that I was 10 [00:34:45] and 20 years younger than what they would've expected for someone my age. It was, it was really kind of [00:34:50] shocking. And at that time I still wasn't like a hundred percent. So it was, it was kind of shocking to [00:34:55] me. Incredible. One
Dave: of the guys who did talk about EWA and may have been my inspiration was Frank [00:35:00] Shallenberger, um, back in the day.
And he's been a major proponent of [00:35:05] ozone therapy as well. And. So it's, it's all about [00:35:10] mitochondrial function here. But other than that research, I haven't seen much in the literature [00:35:15] about OT unless I just missed it. So have you done new studies? Are there other people doing studies? [00:35:20]
Brad: There are new studies.
There's there was some studies at a University of Cincinnati on [00:35:25] COVID that they were working on long COVI. There's actually was one in [00:35:30] 2018 on mitochondrial biogenesis. Um, the, [00:35:35] if you look up, so the term you research, if you're looking to look up ewa, it's called [00:35:40] Hyperoxic, uh, you know, hyperoxia or Hyperoxic exercise.
So [00:35:45] hyperoxic is just the fancy medical term for high oxygen. It's the opposite of [00:35:50] hypoxia, which is low oxygen. So hyperoxic exercise, there's a ton on that. [00:35:55] There's, so obviously Von Ardine did a, a lot of great things [00:36:00] on, like the cancer. He showed that he could u by using, he could take a, a, a cancer [00:36:05] cell and unpr it, so to speak.
Um, and he did some of the anti-aging research, which is [00:36:10] foundational. We have, since then we've had a lot of sports, um, and [00:36:15] athletics, but. The other thing that it's, it's relevant to it is anything you see [00:36:20] with, um, hyperbaric is generally relevant to EWA because there are two [00:36:25] modalities that are effectively using high volumes of oxygen to [00:36:30] flood the blood plasma and the body with oxygen.
So they're pretty [00:36:35] much, oftentimes they're analogous in that respect.
Dave: I, I can say there's a huge [00:36:40] amount of new research. Uh, we just did an episode, um, looking at the different pressures of [00:36:45] hyperbaric oxygen that 1.3 atmospheres does something different. And I feel like in the world of biohacking, [00:36:50] this idea of manipulating, um, the mix of gases and the [00:36:55] pressure of gases, um, is just now coming into maybe it's [00:37:00] teenage years in terms of being known.
And we definitely use a hyperoxic [00:37:05] hypoxic system at Upgrade labs. I mentioned, you know, I have the Oxy health system [00:37:10] downstairs, uh, and it's definitely helped a lot with brain injury and [00:37:15] I've, you know, first used e watts. Good god, I'm dating myself. That is, [00:37:20] is that really 31 years ago? It, it is. Geez. [00:37:25] so all of these are part of my biohacking stack and I feel like over the next few [00:37:30] years, um, way more is gonna come out.
In fact, I'm waiting delivery of a xenon gas [00:37:35] cylinder. I wrote about that in, that was in my longevity book in superhuman, [00:37:40] uh, where it actually increases EPO and gets more blood cells going without having to use [00:37:45] EPO. So I don't think the world Anti-Doping [00:37:50] Association would complain, but if they would, that just mean it works better.
So my, my [00:37:55] personal mission is to remove the anti-doping association from the planet because it's a, it's a [00:38:00] scam and they're harming athletes and I like athletes. So, [00:38:05] um, okay. So what else is gonna happen in the future of uwa? So you've got a, [00:38:10] a very accessible system. I would say it's the best one on the market.
Also very [00:38:15] fairly priced. Um, and it, and the bag you used is like, it, it, it's a [00:38:20] good bag. The original stuff I'd tried, um, from the $10,000 guys, it was [00:38:25] just, it was not a good experience. We'll put it that way. Um, so, what [00:38:30] you've got. Works pretty well. It takes up some space in a room, but you put it behind a couch or something, it's [00:38:35] probably not gonna, you know, win any decor competitions except for maybe Halloween.
'cause you [00:38:40] put like big googly eyes on it. But it's like, it's, it's totally functional for someone [00:38:45] who's recovering, um, or for a pro athlete. Um, but what's coming next? Are you gonna, you [00:38:50] know, attach oxygen sensors add some kind of switching, like, like where's it going? [00:38:55]
Brad: So we don't generally do the switching that you referred to the altitude switching [00:39:00] where people, you, you don't now, but I'm saying like, where's the future going?
Yeah, we, we haven't [00:39:05] had interest in that. And I'll tell you why. Because our real goal is about [00:39:10] serving folks who have chronic illness and helping them get better. And the issue with the low [00:39:15] oxygen switching, so there's one company that was really big into that and there was a couple other [00:39:20] companies that did it, and.
Several of 'em kind of had gotten outta that. But the issue [00:39:25] is any, like I had mentioned earlier, anywhere in the body you have low oxygen, you have [00:39:30] inflammation. And so a lot of our customers are dealing with runaway inflammation. And so [00:39:35] we don't recommend that, quite honestly, if you want to do that, we tell folks the easier way to do [00:39:40] it is you can do breath holds while you're exercising.
'cause a breath hold is 0% oxygen. It's even more [00:39:45] severe than low oxygen. It doesn't require you trying to turn a switch while [00:39:50] you're trying to balance on a machine sort of thing. But for people with chronic health, we don't do [00:39:55] that. Our goal is to build out a suite of available [00:40:00] products for folks with chronic health conditions and make them affordable things that are science [00:40:05] backed.
You know, you know this Dave, you learn so much getting better, right? Like [00:40:10] nowadays I see so much of it's actually becoming mainstream, more and more of it. But you know, there's so [00:40:15] much I've learned too and I wanna bring some of that out and bring that to folks a and bring more of that. [00:40:20] So there's some other ideas we have in the can, even beyond wot.
But as far as the, you know, the [00:40:25] future of EY I think is less about the technology upgrades to [00:40:30] it because like, you can't. You can't measure the oxygen difference. So you [00:40:35] can't put one of those pulse oximeters on your fingers No. And see a difference because you're at
Dave: 99%, [00:40:40] you're at 99%, right? Yeah.
Brad: It's not, it's measuring red blood cells and what we're talking about plasma, which you [00:40:45] can't measure, right?
So there's not like a feedback mechanism that's readily available to the [00:40:50] public. Really. I think it's really about a revolution in availability, right? [00:40:55] If we can get more people to make it available, that's the big revolution. I mean. In the OTT [00:41:00] space for me.
Dave: So just getting it out there, making it more affordable.
Any [00:41:05] opportunities to make it more portable? More
Brad: portable? That's a, that's a good one. I [00:41:10] wish there were, the challenge is if you need 60 liters of a gas every [00:41:15] minute you're exercising, imagine trying to run outside while you're carrying a, a floating balloon [00:41:20] with, uh, you know, you're gonna hit the power lines and, uh, you know, I don't know if I've got the insurance for that.
[00:41:25] So, uh, just to be honest, you so. Then you're talking about compressed [00:41:30] gas. And compressed gas is where you get into a dangerous situation. You don't wanna have compressed [00:41:35] oxygen if you have a leak or something that gets into a challenging situation, so that's difficult. [00:41:40] There are ways to make instantaneous generations, so you don't need that reservoir.
[00:41:45] Unfortunately, those are price prohibitive for home use. Now, if you're talking about that for clinic use, I think that's [00:41:50] something that you're going to see more and more of in the future.
Dave: And for highly motivated [00:41:55] listeners, you, you can buy probably four oxygen concentrators and put 'em all [00:42:00] together and get enough to be useful, right?
Brad: Probably not Four, probably five or six. Five. Okay. [00:42:05] You could now. Here's the challenge with that. The challenge with that [00:42:10] is, as I mentioned, our mask and what we use with these kind of traditional EW watt systems, it seals [00:42:15] around your face and it has this two-way non-rebreather valve so that you're not breathing back in your exhale [00:42:20] gases if you're trying to gang up these concentrators.
Using a, an oxygen [00:42:25] tubing, it's gonna be forcing, like you're gonna feel like you're underneath a pressure washer of [00:42:30] oxygen, and likely you're gonna have a mask that leaks around the edge. So you're not gonna get quite as [00:42:35] good of a workout as if you had a sealed mask in a, in a kind of a, a, a, a bigger, um, [00:42:40] hose feeding you.
Okay. That's a fair point.
Dave: Do people mix it with with ozone? Like do you do [00:42:45] ozone before or after? Do you mix it? Maybe do hyperbaric one day, eat water another [00:42:50] day? Like what
Brad: do we know what works? You can mix it with ozone, no problem. I've mixed it with ozone. I've used it [00:42:55] for, um, like I've said, I've, I've used ozone for a variety of things and no issues with that [00:43:00] whatsoever.
They work in a little bit of different. Ways and, and kind of, I think of them as [00:43:05] different purposes, although obviously you do get oxygenation through ozone as well. [00:43:10] It's also the, um, it's also basically causing all the free radical [00:43:15] changes in the body, I believe that have a chain reaction. As far as with hyperbaric, you can, like I said, [00:43:20] they're effectively offering similar benefits.
We do. [00:43:25] Generally see folks tell us, and you, you can tell us if this is true for you, Dave, it's a more [00:43:30] noticeable with OTT versus hyperbaric early on, they notice a, a bigger [00:43:35] difference when they start doing it. But we do have some folks out there who, we have folks out there who've [00:43:40] come from hyperbaric and go to ott.
We have some folks out there that are doing a little bit of each as well. [00:43:45] So you can mix 'em. There's no harm in it whatsoever. As long, you know, with [00:43:50] inbounds obviously like. There are folks out there who are doing alternate cancer protocols who are doing, [00:43:55] you know, and there's people out there recommending you do OTT three times a day.
I don't, there's [00:44:00] no harm in doing that. I just think you're, you're, you're overworking your body. 'cause there's exercise involved sort of thing. [00:44:05]
Dave: Oxygen is also a prooxidant at very high levels. You can get an [00:44:10] overdose of oxygen. I'm, I don't know that I would recommend three times a day. And, and we know if.[00:44:15]
Hyperbaric that the pressure change, that going up and going down appears to have a pizo [00:44:20] electric or some other effect. So I would say it's okay to mix 'em. [00:44:25] Uh, and it's okay to say, well, I wanted to do e watt because it was [00:44:30] abundantly affordable and I could do it at home. Right. And [00:44:35] there's nothing wrong with either one of those.
So I, I think if I was saying, all right, I'm facing [00:44:40] cancer or this autoimmune stuff that we've both dealt with. I would definitely want an ozone [00:44:45] machine. I'd want your OTT machine. I'd want a soft sided hyperbaric or [00:44:50] access to that kind of stuff. Like I'd wanna live next door to an upgrade labs. Yeah, right.
Go in there and [00:44:55] get the hard shale stuff. Yeah, exactly. Um, although actually, strangely at, at [00:45:00] upgrade labs, we don't do hyperbaric for a good reason. Most people need 40 [00:45:05] sessions and then they're done and they're very long and, you know, people get claustrophobic. And also I find that. [00:45:10] Leasing a soft shell for, for use like that.
People do it, they do their whole [00:45:15] family, they save a ton of money, and then they're done. And it takes a lot of space. So it's a, it's rough to run a business that [00:45:20] does hyperbaric and other stuff, um, but to, to, uh, do something instead. We do [00:45:25] hyperoxic hypoxic training, which is in the same universe while we're talking about.
It's just more, more time and, [00:45:30] uh, and cost efficient for, for our clients. So the, [00:45:35] the general lesson for our episode. Is that [00:45:40] increasing metabolic demand in a very high oxygen environment has unique [00:45:45] metabolic benefits that turn off in some cases, tons of autoimmune [00:45:50] inflammation. My view on things has just only gotten stronger over the years that [00:45:55] autoimmune issues are ultimately mitochondrial.
You fix the mitochondria, [00:46:00] drop the stress response, the cell danger response, and you fix everything. So having abundant [00:46:05] energy in the cells and working cell membranes and working redox potential seems to [00:46:10] fix almost everything. I don't care if you're talking about Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or cancer, like the, those all [00:46:15] could be symptoms of mitochondrial dysfunction.
Now, the cause of the mitochondrial dysfunction could be, [00:46:20] you know, in just Alzheimer's, uh, Dr. Dale Breen came on the show. It [00:46:25] is like, oh, there's seven kinds of Alzheimer's. Right. Okay. Or, um, even things like a [00:46:30] DHD, uh, or autism. Daniel Amen on his board of directors, a good friend been on the [00:46:35] show multiple times saying, well, there's different kinds of A DHD, but all of them are symptoms.
Mitochondria, [00:46:40] mitochondria, mitochondria. What you did, and what I did was reboot and enhance mitochondrial [00:46:45] function, which resolves all sorts of weird stuff.
Brad: Yeah. You know, one of my favorite [00:46:50] quotes is from, uh, that right on that strain is from Arthur Geen. So [00:46:55] Arthur Geen wrote. This medical textbook called Medical Physiology in the [00:47:00] 1950s.
And every doctor, any one of us or anyone listening to the show has ever gone and [00:47:05] seen, had to use this medical textbook. It's still the gold standard today. So [00:47:10] very well respected guy. And he said and I'm paraphrasing here, but [00:47:15] basically the root of all disease is lack of oxygen. To your point, that becomes a metabolic [00:47:20] issue because, at that point that when our metabolism goes from aerobic to anaerobic, then we don't [00:47:25] have, we don't have the energy we need. Oh,
Dave: makes so much sense. In fact, if you [00:47:30] go back to maybe the first 10 episodes, this was like 13, 14 years ago Dom [00:47:35] dagostino came on talking about hyperbaric oxygen with ketones, uh, [00:47:40] as a form of cancer treatment.
So like, gee, do ketones cause [00:47:45] more electrical output for mitochondria? Yes. That leads me to a question. It [00:47:50] seems like I'd want to be in ketosis when I'm doing OT with your system, right?
Brad: Yeah,
Dave: yeah, absolutely. [00:47:55] That's one of those things where all these biohacks that, you know, we've been talking about for a decade, they all [00:48:00] stack and they're all ultimately, let's get more blood there.
Let's get more oxygen there. Let's get more mitochondria working. [00:48:05] Let's get the right signal into the body and the signal that you're putting in with [00:48:10] your system, Brad, is. High metabolic demand and high oxygen. Therefore, it's safe to [00:48:15] increase your capacity and then when the demand goes away, the capacity remains increased and then you improve.
[00:48:20] So it would make sense if that works for exercise, uh, for professional exercisers or athletes. [00:48:25] Um, and it works for chronic illness, and I very much appreciate that you've. lowered [00:48:30] the price to make it accessible, uh, without democratizing E wat. The reason [00:48:35] is that I don't think other people should be allowed to vote whether or not you're allowed to do e watts.
So we don't need democracy for [00:48:40] this. We just need affordable pricing. I agree with you. [00:48:45] Less regulation, more freedom. Right. Lower costs, amazing levels go together. If I can
Brad: [00:48:50] keep them outta my healthcare, that'd be great.
Dave: Thank you. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I, I very much [00:48:55] appreciate the work you're doing, guys, is 1000 roads.com [00:49:00] and if you're thinking about some kind of oxygen therapy, this is a very affordable one [00:49:05] and it's something that can make a difference.
Downside, you're gonna have, uh, [00:49:10] a balloon in your living room. Uh, or wherever you put the thing. It's less [00:49:15] of a footprint than I think you'd have with hyperbaric, which is also a big balloon in your living room. So, [00:49:20] uh, if you're into balloons, oxygen therapy may be your thing. If you are not into balloons, you could get an [00:49:25] ozone device, which isn't about the same price point, um, that you just have to.
[00:49:30] Be okay. You hate balloons, but you don't mind squeezing a balloon to put ozone in your butt. So [00:49:35] really this is a balloon centric episode now that I think about it.[00:49:40]
On that note, Brad, thanks again. Hey, thank you so much, Dave. You have a great one. [00:49:45] See you next time on the Human Upgrade [00:49:50] Podcast.