Henry: [00:00:00] all vibrational beings. Everything is vibrated. When you're listening to a frequency that's non [00:00:05] relenting, meaning that it can't change it's digital and you hold it up next to a frequency that can [00:00:10] change, which say we have anxiety issues, then that tuning fork has sounded [00:00:15] and it's going to resonate with the non relenting frequency and pull you out of that anxiety.
Host: [00:00:20] Today's guest is Dr. Michael Beckwith, world renowned spiritual teacher and founder of the Agape [00:00:25] International Spiritual Center, a movement that's touched millions around the globe, joining him is [00:00:30] Henry Penix, serial entrepreneur and CEO of Soak, the revolutionary sound [00:00:35] frequency app used by the U. S. Air Force and people across the world to boost focus, [00:00:40] healing, and performance.
Michael: People are afraid, or those that want to keep people [00:00:45] domesticated are afraid that people are going to wake up. What happens when someone wakes up? They start to break [00:00:50] down all of the inner structures within themselves that have held them small.
Dave: What's [00:00:55] an example of an inner structure that breaks down commonly?
You're [00:01:00] listening to The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey.[00:01:05]
What is the highest purpose of frequency
Michael: healing anyway? Basically [00:01:10] to bring us into a sense of coherence with that which is already innate within [00:01:15] us. I believe that there's an innate wholeness, a deep sense of well being [00:01:20] already within us on a spiritual level. And so we're seeking through frequency, and prayer is [00:01:25] a high frequency as well, to allow the different bodies, mental body, emotional body, physical [00:01:30] body, to come into harmony.
Dave: I had a [00:01:35] family member once say, uh, I don't want to do any of that kind of work or any kind of spiritual [00:01:40] work cause I might not like what I find in there. So you're talking about becoming in tune [00:01:45] with what's inside you. How do you know what's inside you? Right. Well,
Michael: there's, there's two levels. [00:01:50] One on a spiritual level is nothing but perfection and wholeness, harmony, straight from [00:01:55] the source.
Yes. And then there are imprints that each of [00:02:00] us have, just moving through the human experience. We're imprinted by trauma, worry, doubt, [00:02:05] fear, anxiety, things that have happened to us, that perhaps we haven't processed, [00:02:10] that shifted our personality. And so when you start to go in and delve into that, you bump [00:02:15] into that stuff.
It's not necessarily pretty, but you have to, as the old saying [00:02:20] goes, you know, you have to, you have to go through it
Henry: to get to your real self. And I think many [00:02:25] times when you go into a gym, you may not like to lift the weights or you may not like how it feels [00:02:30] in the moment, but the end result is always going to make you a better person.
Dave: What if [00:02:35] you just, like, pull your shoulder and have to go to the hospital?
Henry: Then you better get back in as fast as you can. [00:02:40] I'm just messing
Dave: with you.
Laugh: I was
Dave: watching your face the [00:02:45] other couple times. I have to say that. Humor
Michael: is
Dave: a high [00:02:50] frequency. Laughter
Michael: is
Dave: a
Michael: high frequency.
Dave: Oh yeah, that's the frequency in this room right now.
It's [00:02:55] interesting because I've seen, I just went on years ago, and she came on and she [00:03:00] kept talking about frequency. Okay. Like a frequency of what? Like frequency of [00:03:05] drinking water frequency of making love frequency of magnets and And she didn't know [00:03:10] she's well frequency is the future and i'm like, well, the frequency of smoking is what are we talking about?
Right, right, right. [00:03:15] So when you talk about frequency,
Michael: what does it mean? Okay. Well, first of all, we're all [00:03:20] vibrational beings Everything is vibrating the microphone glass of water [00:03:25] Frequency is the measurement of the vibration. So we're all [00:03:30] vibrating But then we, but if you're, if you're, if you're vibrating at the [00:03:35] level of, let's say, love, that's a very high frequency, you're vibrating at the level [00:03:40] of hate.
It's a low, it's a lower density vibration. So everything is [00:03:45] frequency. So prayer being the first non technological being [00:03:50] everywhere at the same time is a very high frequency. And now you have things [00:03:55] like soak that have taken [00:04:00] different frequencies. Different oscillations of sound of sound [00:04:05] right to actually shift the cells of your body temple.
So [00:04:10] I remember saying years ago, I've said years ago, we are vibrational beings. Oh, yeah. You know, in the [00:04:15] beginning was the vibration. The beginning was a word of vibrational frequency of wholeness. Nothing is [00:04:20] created without that. And so as a spiritual being having a human [00:04:25] incarnation, we have the capacity to actually participate.[00:04:30]
And the raising of our own frequency, as many people are living victimized by [00:04:35] circumstances and situations and things of that particular nature, we can opt out [00:04:40]
Dave: through spiritual practice. I haven't mentioned this much on the show, but back in the [00:04:45] late 1900s, I would, I kind of got into this path through [00:04:50] sound and I would first buy and then just start downloading [00:04:55] and eventually making different sounds to change the state of my consciousness.
[00:05:00] And it feels like the science has come a long way since then.
Laugh: Yeah.
Dave: And how do you know [00:05:05] what to do? You're saying, all right, I want to make someone calmer or more can [00:05:10] more connected and you're putting some frequencies together. It's like you're making [00:05:15] a recipe in a kitchen, right? And you know, it would taste of its food.
But how do you know what [00:05:20] to put in
Henry: your app? Yeah. So ours has been a journey of about nine years [00:05:25] now total started in clinic. We tried a lot of things. Yeah. And [00:05:30] we came up with the top 30 outcomes that people always requested. Uh, the [00:05:35] top ones today are anxiety, depression, low energy brain fog, low libido.[00:05:40]
Uh, and of course, sleep as we were discussing earlier. And, and so we put those in 30 [00:05:45] buckets so people could kind of still make their own recipes, still kind of self [00:05:50] diagnose. And what we've done recently, and, and I'll have you know, this is the [00:05:55] first podcast that I've ever said this on. Okay. So it's, it's right here by the time this [00:06:00] releases, our, our app will be this.
We've actually got the capacity now [00:06:05] to read your biometrics through any smart device. If you don't wear a smart [00:06:10] device, you can answer a very short survey or you can do both. It will go into our [00:06:15] bucket of hundreds of frequencies and come out and make your frequency for the moment [00:06:20] in the moment. So you're not having to guess.
Yeah. Yeah. If you're hungry for [00:06:25] banana bread, it's going to, to, to get that hint from your [00:06:30] biometrics and the survey, and it's going to go in through AI. and create [00:06:35] that perfect banana cake for you to eat at what you need in the moment. If you want [00:06:40] something in the evening before you go to sleep, you do the same thing.
It will adjust to you when, where, and [00:06:45] what you need when you need it. So that was about that was my first time [00:06:50] I
Dave: heard banana cake in the app metaphor And that the [00:06:55] apps gonna give me a banana cake. Okay. Yes. You heard that here first [00:07:00]
Henry: So I was just I was just thinking that you like banana cake I
Dave: Haven't [00:07:05] had banana cake in a very long time.
Do you like bananas? I don't eat bananas. I guess they're [00:07:10] alright
Okay. I will use another metaphor, but it was a metaphor for [00:07:15] what's your favorite food? Rabbi? I don't eat bananas either. Yeah. [00:07:20] I'm
just messing with you because it's fun. Um, yes. And I get it though. [00:07:25] So if I'm, if I'm having a craving, even when I may not know about like my body wants something, you're going to [00:07:30] put the frequency of that in the sound.
So then I will not have a craving for it.
Henry: [00:07:35] Yeah, pretty cool. I'm using the metaphor of food to [00:07:40] to replace things like depression, anxiety, low energy. It's going to [00:07:45] feel biometrically where you're at and then help you adjust through frequency [00:07:50] to speak to you on a cellular level to make the oscillation of those cells vibrate.
In [00:07:55] such a pattern that it would be the opposite of depression or the opposite of anxiety or the [00:08:00] opposite of low energy. I totally get that.
Dave: And I've seen technologies using [00:08:05] different types of frequencies work. I've seen lasers do things. I've seen Magnus do things. I've seen sound do [00:08:10] things. But biometrics, what does that mean?
Like thumbprints, which biometric are you using? [00:08:15]
Henry: So the ones we have chosen to use are typical things that you get from like an [00:08:20] Apple watch, Fitbit or a ring. Okay. Meaning heart rate, heart rate [00:08:25] variability, and your sleep patterns. Okay. So you, so those type of biometrics.
Dave: So if your HRV is low [00:08:30] and. You need to get much REM.
It's going to know that your tweets in that way. It'll feed you. Okay,
Henry: [00:08:35] exactly. Yeah, that's
Dave: really cool on the nose. Yeah. All right. I know that it's an app on my phone. I [00:08:40] can just play it through my headphones. Is there any value to like playing it through my whole room [00:08:45] system with double subwoofers and all that?
Is it better with headphones or,
Henry: You can have a different [00:08:50] experience, whatever you're up for. You're so non dual. So, so if I [00:08:55] want to work out, I'll play it on a, on a larger speaker. Okay. You're [00:09:00] so funny.
I'm just [00:09:05] channeling Austin. So non dual, that's funny. But yeah, I'll, I'll, it, depending on the [00:09:10] outcome that I want and what I'm after, I'll, I'll play it on different modalities. So some people even use [00:09:15] bone conducting headsets. That's an interesting
Michael: one. Yeah. Okay. My early morning way of [00:09:20] Akambe, we play that the background and it goes through the whole sanctuary.
[00:09:25] Okay. And then even the people who are watching it on YouTube or our website, [00:09:30] they get, they can feel it. They can feel the frequency of the meditation app. I [00:09:35] can definitely feel it. Yeah.
Dave: Yeah. It gets a little bit funky because. In the world of [00:09:40] biohacking, I'm like, okay, number one, can we get the data so we know what's [00:09:45] going on in there?
Right. Right. And then people are saying, well, we're going to know at the end of the week what [00:09:50] to do better. All right, fine. But I've always been more, okay, we're going to do right now with the data. And [00:09:55] that becomes a feedback system. Right. And over the last 10 years, more and [00:10:00] more people have made interventional systems.
Okay, let's see. Let's let, you know, let's decide what to do. We're going to [00:10:05] put on more muscle. We're going to do this, but they don't usually know your state and where we are right now. So if we're [00:10:10] doing with upgrade labs as well, let's measure your state and let's do some interventions that are going to take you [00:10:15] to your goal based on where you are now.
Yeah. And you guys have done that same thing because you're looking at the [00:10:20] data and then making custom code. Exactly. But some of the states [00:10:25] you're looking for, they're kind of hard to define, right? Like. Inner alignment. [00:10:30] Mm hmm. What the hell is inner alignment anyway? Is there an equation for that? But it's a peace of [00:10:35] mind
Michael: in which you are not reacting to the external circumstance or [00:10:40] condition.
You're actually responding from a connection within yourself. Can you turn that on for [00:10:45] me real quick?
Dave: Yes, is it on all the time?
Yeah,
pretty [00:10:50] much. Yeah. Okay, and mine's on the vast majority of the time. Yeah Yeah,
Michael: it's the background and there [00:10:55] are things in the foreground. Mm hmm. Yeah, but the background is peace.
It's love [00:11:00] Gratitude is a big one. Gratitude is gigantic. It's it's a it's a great [00:11:05] feeling tone.
Dave: Mm hmm Yeah, so can you do this? Can you turn on your inner [00:11:10] alignment like that?
Henry: Uh, I'm getting better at it. I think in a sense you can, but maybe not. [00:11:15] I was, I was more of the guy that tried to think my way into it and that was backwards.
Doesn't work very [00:11:20] well. So you have to, you have to reverse that. I, you know, I played baseball for 12 years and then when I [00:11:25] first tried to play golf. Which I think I got through three rounds I tried to hit it like a baseball, [00:11:30] but you, you have to hit it light and soft and the lighter and softer you [00:11:35] hit it and you get in the sweet spot and it's, it goes further.
So it's [00:11:40] counterintuitive. So when I can turn that stuff off and not try to think it through, but. [00:11:45] And I know feel is a, is a word you can have a hundred meanings of, [00:11:50] but when I feel it and know what's entering my system I, I [00:11:55] get that sense of, okay, that's working. I make a little mental note. Then I try to try to extend that [00:12:00] practice.
That makes sense.
Dave: So, you know, what it feels like, and you can bring it [00:12:05] most of the time and you sit in it the vast majority of the time I'm going to. My [00:12:10] perception is I sit in it most of the time, but I might not notice if I came out of it, if something kind of pissed me [00:12:15] off, my inner awareness wouldn't be there anyway, so I wouldn't know, but most of the time I'd feel like it.[00:12:20]
So, how do you measure it to put it into a song, or into a sound? Do you like hook [00:12:25] electrodes up all over Michael Beckwith here, he got like clips on his ears maybe somewhere else, and then he's [00:12:30] like, ah! What does it look like to get a
signal from somebody? So are [00:12:35] you reminding me of something else? Say it
Laugh: have
Henry: to be shared.
Yeah. So since [00:12:40] we grew out of clinic, we do brain mapping and neurofeedback in clinic. So the [00:12:45] scientific side of it will go through a session with and without the particular frequency with a [00:12:50] particular outcome that you want. And we can actually see brain waves. It's hard to [00:12:55] measure the feeling. There we go.
But we can measure the brain waves to change and we know there's [00:13:00] been a significant change. So that's, that's kind of the genesis.
Dave: That's a clean answer. And listeners are going to [00:13:05] understand that entirely. So you hypothesize that the sound is going [00:13:10] to do the thing. And then you take someone who knows the state, measure them as they go into the state and look [00:13:15] what the frequencies do.
That's how I proved out, like, the forgiveness process that we [00:13:20] use at 40 Years of Zim. I'm saying, well, put a thousand people in there and teach them to forgive all the stuff that [00:13:25] was harm, you know, that harmed them. And this is the process that reliably worked. So it's science. [00:13:30] Yes. Reckonable. I like this.
And that's a much better approach of saying, well, we found [00:13:35] this one example and we copied it because then it may not work for a lot of people. Right. Right. [00:13:40] And then you're saying, all right, it works. And I'm going to submit it and just test it. On Mike who tests on a bunch of people. [00:13:45] Right, right. And so there you go.
Yep. Yeah. Um, matter of fact, when he
Michael: brought it to me how many years [00:13:50] ago? Uh, it was about three years ago, he brought it to me, but I didn't [00:13:55] respond back to him for a year.
Dave: Oh, yeah.
Michael: I just practiced with it. Oh, interesting. [00:14:00] Yeah. To see if there was really, yeah. It, it was something really Here he has one called [00:14:05] exercise.
Use it when you exercise. So when I go to the to the gym, I put it on I listen [00:14:10] to it. Is this really helping me? Is this really pumping more blood to my body my heart? Is it is it [00:14:15] doing the things and after a while? I called him back. It's been almost almost a year and I said [00:14:20] Henry you really have something here Mmm, because I could tell when I sat in my [00:14:25] meditation I could tell when I was preparing for things It wasn't just anecdotal wasn't just [00:14:30] I'm making it up in my mind.
I could actually shift it, see the shift. And I said, [00:14:35] okay.
Henry: Yeah. We respected Michael, obviously being the father of meditation and [00:14:40] we wanted so bad to, to have his endorsement and let it really work for him, but we couldn't [00:14:45] push it. We couldn't buy it. We couldn't, you know, cause that's his whole reputation.
And when he came back [00:14:50] you know, I, I said, thank you for giving it. You know, a true, true [00:14:55] sense of ownership. Thank you for using it yourself. Not having other people [00:15:00] use it, but really being able to stand behind it yourself. And that, that meant the world to us. I was so pissed. We [00:15:05] had to wait a year,
Dave: but now I'm not.
Yeah. [00:15:10] I'll say everything when it's the right timing. I get that.[00:15:15]
When I play different [00:15:20] sub frequencies, am I hacking my nervous system or [00:15:25] awakening it, or are those the same thing? I'll tell you my opinion and he'll tell you his opinion. My answer is
Michael: yes. [00:15:30] Yes to what part? Both. The way [00:15:35] I look at it is, yeah, you're hacking, but you're also attuning [00:15:40] the actual cells of your body to a frequency of wholeness.
It's like a, [00:15:45] it's like a vibrational tuning fork. Would you agree with that?
Laugh: Yeah.
Henry: Yeah. No, a hundred percent. We use that [00:15:50] in our examples a lot of time to explain what frequencies are. We, we talk about the tuning fork and if you hit a [00:15:55] tuning fork and you hold it up next to another tuning fork that you haven't touched, that other [00:16:00] tuning fork will start to resonate the same key.
Of that. So with soak, when you're [00:16:05] listening to a frequency that's nonrelenting, meaning that it can't change [00:16:10] its digital and you hold it up next to a frequency that can change, which say we [00:16:15] have anxiety issues, then that that tuning fork has sounded [00:16:20] and it's going to resonate through sympathetic resonance, scientifically proven.
That it'll start to resonate [00:16:25] with the non relenting frequency and pull you out of that anxiety.
Dave: I like the answer of both. [00:16:30] Some people get really reactive about hacking and they're like, well, hacking, that's taking the shortcut. [00:16:35] And it's funny, those same people, they always drive to meet me instead of walking.[00:16:40]
Yeah. I'll take
a play. Fast. Yeah, exactly.
It seems like shortcuts are okay some of the time and [00:16:45] other times. Yeah. Like, it's, it's actually an inner framework that says that you should take the slow [00:16:50] path towards waking up. And it's not an inner framework. That's good for you.
Michael: [00:16:55] Yeah,
Dave: right.
Michael: Yeah, I think the thing about it is to adding to what he's saying [00:17:00] Okay, so you're now vibrating at the level of that frequency, but then there's still work to be done [00:17:05] You still you know, we haven't he has affirmations on there.
There's intention [00:17:10] setting on the app. There's a There's an encouragement of a way of living, so you're not [00:17:15] just hacking all the time, you're actually living a certain way. Right. Waking up with [00:17:20] intention, you know, meditation and prayers involved. He has a whole [00:17:25] Inner system of teachers that you can listen to on a regular basis that [00:17:30] can continue to open up your mind to possibility.
So it's,
Henry: it's a way of living. Yeah. And kind of [00:17:35] an example to I remember back when I was my last year of college I had a back injury and I'd been [00:17:40] in sports lifted all my life and all that. And my, my vertebrates in my lower back to [00:17:45] infused. And it had pinched a nerve and I had like lost 20, 30 pounds.
I couldn't [00:17:50] walk hardly at all. I had to stand up and stretch, hang on those inverted [00:17:55] boots and stretch out my spine and all that. And so my path to [00:18:00] recovery was, you know, chiropractic and massage. And maybe if none of that worked, I, [00:18:05] I get surgery. So I, I stopped by my dad's church. And, uh, [00:18:10] uh, to this day, it gets me, this is 40 something years ago.
Stopped by his [00:18:15] church and I said, dad, I want you to know that I'm, you know, I'm going to need surgery and I'm going to surgery and, and [00:18:20] all that. And he said, do you mind if I have prayer with you? And I said, you know, I guess so. [00:18:25] Okay. You know, send me on my way. Dave, he had prayer with me and he said, now, [00:18:30] now bend over and move your back and tell me how it feels.
Whoa. Dave, I promise, [00:18:35] promise to God, I have no reason to embellish this at all. I was a healed [00:18:40] 100%. I went to my chiropractor and he had been treating me. He took [00:18:45] pictures of my back that were perfect.
Dave: So
Henry: fully healed instantly? Instant. [00:18:50] Wow. I believe in that. I believe in miracles and I believe in the process.
And I [00:18:55] believe you will get you what what you need in the moment you need it That's what drove our [00:19:00] thing with silk I want to give people what they need in the moment that they need and if that turns on [00:19:05] other things in their lives Then so be it, you know, my father always told me he said [00:19:10] Jesus's disciples came to them came to jesus and said, you know, how do you pray?[00:19:15]
he had His disciples had seen him walking on water [00:19:20] Performing miracles doing all these things, but the question was how do you pray? You And Jesus said, you pray like [00:19:25] this, our father who art in heaven, how will it be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as [00:19:30] it is in heaven. And I think as we resonate with what is in heaven, what is from [00:19:35] our creator, that vibration that started you when you, before you were even born is [00:19:40] still with us, vibrating in us and as us and through us today.
Dave: [00:19:45] Oh, it makes sense that sound could affect that. Yes. Yes. And when, when I look [00:19:50] at the, the definition of biohacking, it's change the environment around you and [00:19:55] inside of you to have control of your biology or control of your state. Yep. Well, I wonder if [00:20:00] sound and vibration are major variables in the world around you that you could manipulate to have control of your state.
[00:20:05] Absolutely right. It's right at the core of what you do with, with biohacking. It is. Um, and [00:20:10] I've, I've had some profound experiences from, from sound and I, I really like the Soak [00:20:15] app, but I haven't, I, I have a hard time doing anything every day for 30 days, except for [00:20:20] drink coffee. I'm pretty good at that.
Michael: So on this, you don't have to do anything, just put it on. Well, [00:20:25]
Dave: that's, I'm still the background. Gotta, I gotta start , but uh, having it on the [00:20:30] speakers would be easy to do. Yeah. Instead of on headphones. But I'm using headphones so. What [00:20:35] happens in your brain if you listen to a frequency on soap for 30 days straight, [00:20:40] you've measured changes?
Yeah. What do you see?
Henry: For sure. I'm not the technician at [00:20:45] all. So I, I don't want to over speak what happens. I, I get the end result. I get the [00:20:50] end reports to show how alpha waves, theta waves will have changed to a certain [00:20:55] extent and, and pull you in into that coherence. Okay. [00:21:00] Um, we, we see people's immune systems and this is not a claim, by the way, [00:21:05] FDA is not behind this, nor will they ever be because you get into a little quantum.
Yeah, [00:21:10] you know,
Dave: that's an old, the old government agency, the big [00:21:15] pharma is digging on you.
Henry: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're, you're right. So, yeah. [00:21:20] But, but yeah, we, we see those changes and then, and then in the outcomes of, of large people [00:21:25] groups, like our, our, uh, Work with the Air Force and all that they, they're really, really loving [00:21:30] that.
Dave: What about things like heart rate variability or sleep for cognition? [00:21:35] Do you have studies on that?
Henry: Yeah, you can actually, uh, we, we did this, uh, [00:21:40] with a company called heart math. And we, we traded some studies and we had [00:21:45] some individuals actually measure their heart rate variability, uh, and, and in [00:21:50] minutes after doing a session with soak sound frequencies their heart rate variability [00:21:55] would, would increase.
Dave: Wow. It's funny. Mr. Heartmath, uh, Roland McCready, who's the [00:22:00] head researcher for their nonprofit side is speaking in five hacking conference. No kidding. No, [00:22:05] we didn't. Let's tell him we said, hi. I will. I've been friends for 20 something years. I was an advisor at Heartmath back in 2008. [00:22:10] Yeah, I'll bring them into the movement.
So that's cool. So you're actually seeing, [00:22:15] uh, real time shifts and that's because you're listening at heart, whatever heart math, our math is [00:22:20] a company that does real time sensing of heart rate variability. So you can learn how you're breathing or your [00:22:25] intentions shape your stress levels. So if you're able to play the soak [00:22:30] sounds and see that change, that's real time indication that you're steering the nervous [00:22:35] system or the brain waves.
It is kind of cool. All right. Yeah, we're very excited [00:22:40] about that. Are you just changing mood or are you changing relationships or
Henry: changing [00:22:45] behavior? I think when your mood shifts, your relationships shift. [00:22:50] Say that slow. Yeah, I know. Make sure the F is in there.
Dave: [00:22:55] Yeah,
Henry: when you shift your mood, everything around you changes.
[00:23:00] So, and you said you were having, uh, Joe Dispensa speak. He said your, [00:23:05] your personal reality is an extension of your personality. So if you got a [00:23:10] personality of a certain thing, then that changes everything. And so we, uh, we, we [00:23:15] see that we see mood changes. We see sometimes people will talk about [00:23:20] trauma.
That that's changed in their life. Like I was telling you downstairs, we're in [00:23:25] 190 countries now. And some of the biggest changes we've seen have been [00:23:30] just in people's sleep patterns. That this will, will get a person ready for sleep. [00:23:35] You start to shut down, you start to, um, get more REM sleep. We're seeing.[00:23:40]
Uh, more of the deep sleep that helps restore and replenish, uh, your [00:23:45] systems. So we, uh, we get a lot of, of testimonials, uh, about that as well. [00:23:50]
Dave: Very cool. Yeah. Thank
Michael: you. He actually
Henry: has one
Michael: of, one of the, uh, [00:23:55] frequencies is called mood.
Dave: So if you're feeling really good
Michael: and you play the mood frequency, what happens?
You [00:24:00] live in the question of how can I get better than this? Nice. And it is true.
Dave: I was [00:24:05] hoping, it's not like the odometer rolls over back to
zero. I love that better. [00:24:10] Yeah, yeah. Infinite B, anti aging. We're always just beginning.
It'll give you another zero on the odometer. [00:24:15] You're fine. That's awesome. If people are taking [00:24:20] cognitive enhancing supplements or nootropics or smart drugs or other things like that, that the frequencies [00:24:25] work better or worse,
Henry: I think they do.
I think they work better. Uh, [00:24:30] as as, uh, Dr Beckwith, uh, does his meditations at a copy with frequencies [00:24:35] playing behind him. It's like you turbo charge the meditation. You can [00:24:40] turbo charge nootropics, things like that, that we're seeing, uh, and, and something [00:24:45] that your listeners may not know is that when you're listening to frequencies is almost like [00:24:50] recharging your battery.
And since we're made up of, you know, 70, 80 percent water when you are [00:24:55] well hydrated and, and you're listening to frequencies, it even flows better
Dave: though. It makes [00:25:00] sense. So have your electrolytes and probably some creatine before you listen and see what [00:25:05] you get.
Michael: Yeah. A thousand percent. If you put the.
Soak next to the water. It would actually [00:25:10] change the vibration of the water, right? Yeah. Yeah. And who yes. [00:25:15] Yeah
Dave: Yeah, and food just have to be next to it's like where iPhones are waterproof. Just [00:25:20] dump it right in there. There you go There you go. I
wouldn't want to lick my phone. I don't know [00:25:25] proximity, put it, put it in a bag.
Yeah.
Henry: Just proximity. Use the, uh, [00:25:30] the, uh, vibrational, uh, band conducting headsets on it. Put it on your glass. That's a cool [00:25:35] glass with the G. Yeah.
Dave: Good job. Yeah. [00:25:40] Yeah. I could see, uh, I could see there being some, some, uh, [00:25:45] I actually haven't seen a water, a water charging technology that uses sound, but there's probably some summer [00:25:50] submersible speaker or just put it next to it.
It How would you [00:25:55] know if the water worked? How would I know? Yeah, well, yeah, like, how would anyone know? Like, okay, I, I put my phone playing [00:26:00] sort of Well, you remember, you remember Dr. Miyamoto's
Michael: Of course. You remember that, you know, they just measured and saw [00:26:05] the crystals and things of that particular nature.
Okay. Which still allows me, you know, every time I [00:26:10] drink water, I always Say a little prayer and drink. What little prayer you don't say when you drink [00:26:15] water? Peace be still. It just depends on what mood I'm in. Ah, [00:26:20] got it, okay. Right now it's just, uh, harmony, order, [00:26:25] peace.
Dave: Okay, I can feel that. There's a A state I, I've [00:26:30] written a lot about in my new book called heavily meditated, I talk about congruence [00:26:35] and this is where you've learned to make your interstate match your outer [00:26:40] state because it doesn't really work if, if you're pissed off and you walk in and [00:26:45] like, I'm not going to act like I'm pissed off.
Everybody knows. Right. Right. You can't [00:26:50] fake that. Yeah. Bye. And people try all the time, though, which is probably good because, you know, if [00:26:55] they're acting like seven year olds, they'd come in and just punch you because they're mad. So thank you. Okay. Your, your [00:27:00] adult self stopped you for a bunch of me, but you're still feeling like a seven year old in there.
Can you use [00:27:05] sound to break out of that so that you actually have congruence?
Henry: I think our, uh, [00:27:10] the biggest thing that we have seen is in our anti anxiety frequency, [00:27:15] because when you're anxious, you're anxious for a reason. And if, if [00:27:20] you're being incongruent with your outer self that may want to punch somebody, and you're [00:27:25] speaking to your, because we, we speak to the cells on a cellular level, when you speak to that [00:27:30] and bring congruence in, you know, to relieve the anxiety portion, [00:27:35] then I think you're going to see that automatically come on the outside.
You can't be at peace with inside and go [00:27:40] up and hit somebody and say you're mad. You can hit somebody when you're mad and try to say [00:27:45] you're peaceful inside, but you're really not like it's got to start there. You know, we're, we're, [00:27:50] we're spiritual beings having a physical human experience. So when you speak to the spiritual part, [00:27:55] to the energetic part, to the cellular part, the cellular part, [00:28:00] cellular, cellular there, I think that's when you start to see results.
Dave: So if two people listen to [00:28:05] the same frequency at the same time, so you've been playing on the speaker in the same room, are they going to enter the same state? [00:28:10] Does that do something beneficial for a friendship or anything?
Henry: Oh, that's [00:28:15] interesting. Yeah, I think because we're all different beings, [00:28:20] if you and I listen to this frequency right now, we're both going to get something different out of [00:28:25] it.
So I think that's one part of the answer. But the second part is there's also going to be some [00:28:30] similarities and because our frequency are our frequencies are compositions. They're not just frequencies. They're [00:28:35] fake. Thank you for saying that. Yes, they're compositions. So we might have to have up to [00:28:40] 25 layered and embedded.
In a one frequency composition [00:28:45] soundtrack. So out of those 2025, you're going to get certain things out of them. [00:28:50] I'm going to get certain things out of them, but there's also going to be some, we get together out of them [00:28:55] and maybe become more congruent with each other. That's why we're getting along so well today.
Michael: [00:29:00] Nice. So, but also my mind, we're starting at different places at times too. Yeah, exactly. [00:29:05] So, so it's going to affect all of us. Because you're playing Agape in front of, [00:29:10]
Henry: you know, hundreds of people, right? Oh, and millions online.
Laugh: Yeah.
Henry: After he did [00:29:15] his first thing at Agape, uh, all of a sudden we were in like 20 countries and then we were in [00:29:20] 120 countries.
Wow. Like, just like that. So he, he, he's got much more reach than, than I think you [00:29:25] even know. But everybody's being affected the same and
Michael: differently. [00:29:30] Oh, that's good. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, the same thing. Depends on where they are at that particular moment. [00:29:35] Somebody may be sitting in meditation and bliss.
Somebody may be pissed off. Right. So they're [00:29:40] gonna, it's gonna affect them both, but ultimately, and there'll be more coherence [00:29:45] around all of us. Right. But we'll all be shifted a little bit differently.
Dave: Yeah.
Michael: Yeah.
Dave: I love that. [00:29:50] If I played this with my girlfriend, are we gonna have better sex?
Michael: Yes. [00:29:55] There's one on there, feel that.
Dave: This is a libido setting, huh?
For women and [00:30:00] men.
So which one do I play it for? You play it for the man, she plays for the woman. I know, but we're in the same bed at the same time. [00:30:05] Earphones. So you want to set our earphones on during sex? You're thinking. That's kinky,
man,
huh?
Laugh: You're thinking.
Dave: You guys heard [00:30:10] it here first.
Whoever it might go back with. Yeah, they should be Bluetooth, but not, not with [00:30:15] cords.
Yeah, this [00:30:20] may be a first,
Michael: but the answer to your question is yes. Yes. All right. I like that. That [00:30:25] female hormone, right? Yeah. Testosterone. Yeah. You have sex, everything [00:30:30] there.
Dave: Yeah, it's, it's amazing what happens to the right, the right music. And [00:30:35] I, in, uh, in heavily meditated, one of the ways to access these deep [00:30:40] altered states of healing or, or other abilities, 20 percent of [00:30:45] people report meeting God during orgasm, at least once in their life.
So. [00:30:50] We should talk about that as maybe as important as psychedelics or [00:30:55] breathwork. It's a path. They're all leading to the same place. Vibrational
Michael: [00:31:00] tantric
Henry: path. Yeah. And then with our uh, dual audio, [00:31:05] we can actually go in and, and you can take the frequency, press a button and [00:31:10] say you pull up YouTube or Spotify or Apple Music or whatever, and whatever music you love.
[00:31:15] You can embed it on your phone and have a frequency treatment playing in the background. That's [00:31:20] cool while you're listening to whatever music You want to listen to work for audio books to [00:31:25] yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty smart. My wife actually originally came up with the idea because she listened to [00:31:30] so many audio books.
She said, if I could be taking a frequency treatment in the back without, you know, her biohack [00:31:35] was if I could be taking a frequency treatment in the background. And listening to my audio book, [00:31:40] that would be heaven. And so we created it. What about
Dave: doing, say,
Henry: podcasts? [00:31:45] Um, the frequency that I told you I turned off, I didn't.
So we've got the, uh, [00:31:50] we've got the energetic frequency playing right now.
Dave: Yeah, I don't, I don't know if [00:31:55] our listeners are going to get that. Yeah, um, interesting. So, uh, I'll [00:32:00] play, put some through. Yeah,
Michael: I'll play an audio book and background. I have accelerated
Dave: learning. [00:32:05] That's cool. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then so the soak app has that ability.
I didn't realize that was in [00:32:10] there. Yeah.
Henry: Yeah. Yeah. And if you want to, to where I thought you were going with that, if you ever want [00:32:15] to play even on this episode, another fully mixed version, [00:32:20] and where you're, you're barely, it's barely noticeable because it didn't have to be loud. Let's do that. We can play that.[00:32:25]
Guys, you want to? You want to do that, AJ? We'll send you a file. We'll have our guys send you a [00:32:30] file and play one. Yeah, that'll be cool. Is that
Dave: the join a cult now file? [00:32:35] No, it depends on how it goes. You're working with the Air Force on these [00:32:40] like, not spiritual uses of this technology?
Henry: Yeah, [00:32:45] it's more for the condition of pilots.
Uh, who come back [00:32:50] and they're stressed from a mission or they're, they're on a mission and I look at it [00:32:55] as the, the individual and how can I help that person overcome something that they're going to do [00:33:00] anyway, that it's, it, they may suffer from lack of sleep from, uh, [00:33:05] you know, PTSD, et cetera. How can I help the person?
And that's where I [00:33:10] start and stop.
Dave: I like that. And
Laugh: yeah,
Dave: I have lots of friends in the military. And [00:33:15] being, uh, Being of service like that is actually a very high level calling. Uh, [00:33:20] sometimes governments tell you to do really stupid and evil shit. I agree. Oh, wait. They tell [00:33:25] you that even if you're not in the military.
[00:33:30] So, you know. Dave. Sorry. Speaking truth bombs. [00:33:35] Something was stuck in my throat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:40] Can sound frequencies break up spike proteins? [00:33:45]
Michael: You did test that with your doctor
Henry: are, are, uh, we have a clinic, we still have our [00:33:50] clinic and we have a functional medicine doctor that [00:33:55] has experienced patients. And again, this is, this is not a recommendation or [00:34:00] anything like that, but you can't do that because you sell stuff.
I could do it. [00:34:05] Okay, well, I'll tell you about a guy who at one [00:34:10] time had some patients that saw spike protein, particularly after COVID shots. [00:34:15] And a shocker. And yeah, yeah, that's what he says. And, uh, [00:34:20] and, and he talks about coherence all day long, playing the silk frequencies as part of his [00:34:25] protocol to address that he does.
He uses some supplementation is the doctor that [00:34:30] I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Harris, just a great guy. He, he, uh, he, uh, [00:34:35] actually counseled the U S Olympic team and it's been all over the world, taught, uh, in Europe for a long time. [00:34:40] Now he's working in our clinic. We, we do a lot of podcasts with him.
Silk has its own podcasts [00:34:45] and he's on there a lot talking about things like this, but he, he swears by it. [00:34:50] So that answers to that question is yes.
Dave: Yes. And some people are going to be [00:34:55] triggered by that. And as we talked about earlier, if you can be triggered, it means that I'm in charge of a nervous system right [00:35:00] now, and you're my puppet.
Ha, ha, ha. Now you're more triggered. So you probably should do something about [00:35:05] that. Maybe listen to some sounds,
but
there we
go.
Sorry, [00:35:10] I just feel spicy. But, uh, it's the frequency. I promise. It's got to be. [00:35:15] It also makes me want bacon. Is that normal? Yes. It's [00:35:20] actually extra crispy. That's my constant inner peace going.
I'm guessing. It's grass [00:35:25] fed, though. Of course. I ain't eating dirty bacon.[00:35:30]
It isn't that crazy to think about it. [00:35:35] And. You guys hear about the Alzheimer's and 40 Hertz light [00:35:40] research recently. This happens I think five, six years ago. Every [00:35:45] researcher at Harvard came out and she said, that's so weird. If I blink lights 40 times a second, it breaks [00:35:50] up Alzheimer's plaque in the brain.
Now this is a Harvard [00:35:55] professor or researcher or anyone. If she's a full professor And I ended up, this just [00:36:00] happens, the weirdest thing, right after the first paper came out, I met a pajama party [00:36:05] at the Salk Institute. And all the VCs show up [00:36:10] wearing unicorn onesies. 'cause unicorns, VCs,
Henry: you're being for real now.
Pajama. I'm, it was actually
Dave: [00:36:15] happening. Okay. And my assistant at the time who, when I [00:36:20] asked her to send me a, a costume or a whatever, a pajama thing. Right. A onesie . Yeah. She send me a [00:36:25] onesie, she sends me Hugh Hefner. [00:36:30] So I'm sitting there on the couch and the researcher from Harvard, a Chinese woman wearing a white [00:36:35] lab coat who did not own pajamas.
I'm pretty sure she's like the most uncomfortable woman there. And I'm sitting on the [00:36:40] couch going, this is the coolest conversation ever. And we talked for like two hours about her [00:36:45] research that. Changing frequencies of light was having direct biological effects. [00:36:50] Really? And now she's started a company and um, it's literally downstairs and I turn it [00:36:55] on sometimes and it blinks at 40 Hertz and it changes your brain.
So the reason I bring this [00:37:00] up, if light frequencies can do that, it isn't that big of a [00:37:05] deal sound to say that sound could do that. Absolutely. Right. In fact, it's highly [00:37:10] likely that it could do that. And my other piece of data about that is around the Rife machine [00:37:15] or that machine that we have downstairs that you saw the biocharger machine.
Right, [00:37:20] right. It uses radio frequencies to explode [00:37:25] bacteria and viruses based on the work of a guy named Royal Rife who did this work in the 20s. [00:37:30] And he knows that it works because he had a microscope that he invented himself to let him watch it happen. Right, right. [00:37:35] And so I'm pretty sure frequencies have direct biological effects.
Yeah, so you would [00:37:40] probably want to validate, you know, does the specific one of the things on the SOCAP, does it do something to the [00:37:45] spike protein or not? No, I'm just saying it's very plausible and how could we do [00:37:50] medicine or biohacking without just exhausting this avenue? And it's not something big pharma [00:37:55] seems to really want to support.
Well, yeah, think of that. Can't have
Henry: a reason. So, well, my, my, my [00:38:00] wife had a big hand in making what we were doing in clinic. Because used to, we would only give these [00:38:05] frequency treatments in clinic. People would pay about 1, 000 a month to get the, you know, do, do [00:38:10] some every day. Yeah. And she said, I want to get this out to the masses.
I, I don't want to be [00:38:15] medicine. I want to be a movement. And, and that movement is you, you can [00:38:20] change people's lives for a very, very long time. Little amount of money and something that's [00:38:25] noninvasive. A lot of people can't even take supplements. So to kind of pass through that [00:38:30] barrier, I take supplements every day.
I know you guys do too. But for those that [00:38:35] couldn't, especially those ones that would come in clinic with digested problems and all that they would use the [00:38:40] frequencies and because it was noninvasive it would give them the outcome they wanted. Then when we [00:38:45] took it to a way, way low level that, that it could get out to so many people at [00:38:50] once in 190 countries.
Now we've done over 41 million minutes of, of [00:38:55] therapies at a very, very fraction of the cost that we're not [00:39:00] there to, you know, break somebody's bank. We're there to give help and hope, not hype. [00:39:05] But something that will really help them and heal them and make them whole.
Dave: I love that Is there a [00:39:10] dark side to frequency healing?
You are the dark side.[00:39:15]
These are not the [00:39:20] droids. I knew that the minute we walked in here. [00:39:25] Now that's a sound clip you can use or you don't have to.
Henry: Uh, you, [00:39:30] you, you hear frequencies that break bridges the, the opera singer at that high [00:39:35] frequency breaks the glass. You know, those are some of the effects if used [00:39:40] improperly and without adult supervision.
Like, uh, any of the Mariah Carey songs would be examples. [00:39:45] Maybe. Maybe. I love Mariah Carey. Between her and Whitney and, [00:39:50] uh, I think Mariah could actually go a little higher than Whitney. Maybe. Yeah, I think so.
Dave: Yeah. I [00:39:55] have a traumatic experience that you guys will appreciate. But first time. We did [00:40:00] mushrooms.
I was 26 and I flew to Amsterdam. So I want to try them, but I want to know what I'm [00:40:05] getting and they're illegal there. It's fine, right? So I went there and bought some mushrooms and went to my hotel and ate [00:40:10] them and turn on the TV and There's a Mariah Carey music special and I want mushrooms and [00:40:15] I'm like, this is the most beautiful music I've ever heard Angelic, so I come back to the US [00:40:20] And I buy a CD because I say I got music back then and I turn around like, what is this?
I can't [00:40:25] listen. Oh, it's hurt.
Michael: It's sorry. Yeah,
Dave: that's
Laugh: right Plus
Michael: it [00:40:30] wasn't a vinyl it was on cd. That means you're getting a whole different frequency. Yeah, that's true. It's
Dave: [00:40:35] numbing your brain You know, say something about that. I'm familiar with what you're talking about, but share, so [00:40:40] why would vinyl be better than CD or streamed audio?
Michael: With the vinyl, you're getting the [00:40:45] ax, you're getting the absolute vibration of the music before it's been [00:40:50] tampered down. Digitized. It can actually, since we're [00:40:55] talking about sound.
Laugh: Yeah.
Michael: A lot of those great, great music on vinyl can actually open up your [00:41:00] awareness. But on the CD, it cannot. It's just sound.
It's just entertainment. Mm [00:41:05] hmm.
Dave: It's something that I explored in the [00:41:10] late 90s when we first did the cutover to CDs from vinyl. [00:41:15] And there were a few, at the time, old guys, like in their 60s and 70s, warning about [00:41:20] this. Yeah. And, What happens is when you're using vinyl, [00:41:25] um, there's a perfect waveform. And when you're using anything digital, [00:41:30] including your computer, even the way you're hearing this, it's like little stair steps.
It's kind of like LED lights. [00:41:35] They're not the same as real lights. And they're, they're blinking. You can't see it, but they're blinking. [00:41:40] And the music is also kind of blinking and it has different illogical effects. Right. Uh, [00:41:45] so. So you, you weren't getting the real deal. Right. Mm. When you came back from Amsterdam.
That is [00:41:50] true. Although on the TV it probably wasn't a real deal either. I think the mushrooms,
Michael: the mushrooms [00:41:55] you had in your bridge, you went right, you went the right for directly to Mariah Carey's [00:42:00] soul.
Dave: She's got a beautiful soul, but make him take it down two notches on my [00:42:05] frequency there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don't break my glasses. About every [00:42:10] 20 minutes, someone reaches out to my team. I made up that number, by the way, but often [00:42:15] saying I have a quantum insert name or whatever. It's kind of like back [00:42:20] when Star Wars came out, I have the turbo laser. Everything's a turbo. Like you can have a turbo laser lasers don't need a [00:42:25] turbo cause they're electronic, right?
So quantum toothpaste, quantum [00:42:30] massage oil,
quantum animals. I don't know. It's quantum everything. You can brush everybody's teeth at once with [00:42:35] quantum toothpaste.
Exactly. I'm brushing the world's teeth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:42:40] yeah. So. How do you know if something's quantum or not?
Henry: Yeah. [00:42:45] Well, I mean, the thing about quantum is if you're, if you're looking at something, it [00:42:50] changes.
So how do you know you're looking at it? So if quantum, if quantum is, did I [00:42:55] just hurt Dave Asprey's brain? Not in a good way. Okay. Come
Dave: on. Give [00:43:00] me one break in this whole interview. Give me one break in [00:43:05] this
Henry: whole interview. So, so yeah, you, you, you've seen where they'll move [00:43:10] something here and it moves there, but when they look at it to try to measure it, Because they're observing it, [00:43:15] it changes and mm-hmm.
You know what?
Michael: Observe changes on a subatomic [00:43:20] level based on observation. But, but quantum, when we talk about quantum today, [00:43:25] you know, it's, it's, uh, it matches what we used to say when we would talk about [00:43:30] consciousness, or we would talk about a presence that's never in absence. It's [00:43:35] everywhere. That's omnipresent.
That's the quantum field [00:43:40] that's untouched by the simulation, untouched by experience, [00:43:45] untouched by perception. It is what it is. That's not true.
Dave: You tell me that when you're doing your [00:43:50] work, you go to that unmanifest, uh, so I call it or the nothingness that Joe calls it. You, that [00:43:55] you're not touching the quantum and that it's not changing.
I
Michael: am touching the quantum. Well, you said it didn't change. No, no. [00:44:00] The quantum, that which is doesn't change. Reality doesn't change. Your perception of it changes. [00:44:05] The perception of it too, it changes, but that which is the same yesterday, today, and [00:44:10] forever, God, quantum, that's not going to change. Yeah, it's not going to change.
Okay, I hear what you're saying.
Dave: That [00:44:15] makes more sense. Because, you know, you kind of can shape that quantum stuff, but you're saying we shape others and our perception of it. [00:44:20] Absolutely. Okay, I can, I can do it with that. Yeah.
Michael: It's like, But [00:44:25] now, as you're saying, everybody's using the word. Oh yeah, it's But it's starting to have meaning, [00:44:30] starting to mean less and less based on who's using it.
So what's the next word for quantum? [00:44:35] I think you're just going to go back to consciousness. Interesting. That's what that's what we [00:44:40] are. We're pure. We're pure awareness, right? And then we have content that's floating through our [00:44:45] awareness. And then when you begin to no longer identify with the content, that's when you're [00:44:50] waking up.
If you're identified as the content, then you're asleep. I like that a lot. [00:44:55] Yeah, that's good.
Dave: In the model of reality that I work with, it's like if you're [00:45:00] riding around in a meat body, you cannot possibly see or sense reality too limited. [00:45:05] It's like, Um, you see those like underwater remote controlled [00:45:10] submarines.
Yeah, yeah, really going to know what it's like to swim around underwater. You've seen that's what it's like in a body [00:45:15] using the sensorium. Yeah, absolutely true. And the whole, the whole model of reality is [00:45:20] mathematically pretty provably it's quantum fluctuations and stuff like that, which you can't see them.
So [00:45:25] we make up all this stuff and I'm more and more to the point where our consciousness makes up all [00:45:30] of reality. Right. Like if so, and that's, that kind of flies in [00:45:35] the face of a lot of, a lot of teachings, but it's the only thing I can find that explains everything. It's called [00:45:40] biocentrism, but it, it creates an allowance for there to be the kind of things that you manifest [00:45:45] at agape, right?
And for a lot of our, our low level biological awarenesses of reality. [00:45:50] So it's like, man, we have these, yeah. Really poorly constructed user interfaces for a really complex [00:45:55] reality, um, and that creates space for sound to do [00:46:00] healing. Yeah. And for intention to have an effect on the world and for altered states to mean something other [00:46:05] than just that.
So it's like we are the universe, um, instead of we're outside the [00:46:10] universe. And
Michael: that seems to be how it works. And it makes sense that way. We are the universe becoming conscious [00:46:15] of itself.
Dave: Mm hmm
Michael: as Dave as Henry Michael.
Dave: I like that [00:46:20] You ever have a spiritual experience that you just couldn't explain that science [00:46:25] still can't touch.
Yes many other
Henry: than your [00:46:30] Your back the back. Yeah, that is that that Freaked me out and and to [00:46:35] piggyback on that story just a little bit having [00:46:40] My father who who had just left my mother and a pastor is not supposed to [00:46:45] You know, get a divorce or whatever. Nothing in my mind was even saying this could even happen.[00:46:50]
And so when it did, it was almost like a double blind proof to me that it [00:46:55] was the God factor that, that I really received a healing. Because [00:47:00] in my mind, I wasn't thinking about even, like I knew I, it could happen because I've seen [00:47:05] healings all my life. I've seen a bunch of junk all my life as well. So you sort through all that.[00:47:10]
But when I actually saw it and, and felt it. And it happened to me, and [00:47:15] this is 40 something years ago, and I'm still pain free, um, it [00:47:20] made a difference in my life. It totally shifted my, my perception. When I was younger, I [00:47:25] would have dreams of, of being held up against the wall by negative [00:47:30] forces. And I would speak the name of Jesus and it would, I would slowly be let down [00:47:35] and then I could go to sleep and, um, I've, I've seen visions of [00:47:40] hands coming out and me being kind of afraid before and then [00:47:45] touching the hand and feeling total peace and getting the sense of that's my unconditional [00:47:50] loving father.
Not anything based in religion, but just a. Personal [00:47:55] spiritual practice and awareness.
Dave: That's some deep some deep things.
Henry: Yeah,
Dave: Michael [00:48:00] first major spiritual experience That's just like broke things open for you [00:48:05]
Michael: I had some as children as a child, but as an adult when I was a senior [00:48:10] at USC It's a psychobiology major.
It's on the path about a med school [00:48:15] and some in a series of inner experiences At the time I labeled pathological. I [00:48:20] said this, I'm seeing visions. I'm leaving my body. I'm astral traveling, I'm doing all these things. [00:48:25] Yeah. And a lot of these things I was doing without drugs. .
Laugh: Mm-hmm . Yeah.
Michael: So I, I actually thought I was losing my [00:48:30] mind.
Anyway, cliff note, version A culminated in, [00:48:35] I was killed in a lucid dream, stabbed in the heart. The pain was [00:48:40] physically and emotionally excruciating, and then died. When I woke [00:48:45] up, I could see the presence of what I called love, I didn't call it [00:48:50] God, I called love, beauty, everywhere. When the love penetrated my [00:48:55] being, I could see everywhere without my eyes, changed my whole life.[00:49:00]
So I could never get back in that box again. So then I went on a [00:49:05] research to discover what had happened to me, and that's what put me on this path. [00:49:10] And so I had tremendous experiences. It took me a number of years to integrate. Yeah. [00:49:15] I was just, I was a weird guy. Still kind of weird. I imagined in some people's eyes.
[00:49:20] But, but I couldn't, took me a while to integrate so I can actually reclaim [00:49:25] my physical humanness. And, and I met my teachers, I met teachers on the other [00:49:30] side, that I didn't know who they were, but they were teaching me that I [00:49:35] would find out later as I saw their books or their bust. I said, I know that guy.
I was [00:49:40] standing in front of this church one time, a metaphysical church, and they were having a celebration. [00:49:45] And I said, Oh, I know him. And they said, Michael, I was like 27 at the time. [00:49:50] That man's been dead since the 60s.
Dave: So you're chatting with ascended [00:49:55] masters and things like that. Right.
Michael: Amazing. And so that was my first [00:50:00] opening, and then other ones have happened and there's always an integration into it.
[00:50:05] Mm-hmm . I never, I always wanted to look somewhat normal. I mean, most recent [00:50:10] was two Januarys ago, I mean, dramatically. Mm-hmm . I was about to do a [00:50:15] podcast, a class actually, and I, I meditate pretty much before I do anything, so I went into [00:50:20] meditation. When I came out, I was blind, was bl, I was in the light.
[00:50:25] Wow. I couldn't see it. I could not even see you. Mm-hmm . You were sitting there, it was just. So I called in, [00:50:30] uh, Reverend Kathleen Lee Brown, I said, come in here, I can't see, I'm blind. I wasn't panicked. [00:50:35] It was, and it was exhilarating. Wow. And I said, I can't teach [00:50:40] right now. I don't know how long this is going to last, but, you know.
So anyway, I'm sitting there, [00:50:45] and slowly I could see Kathleen, and slowly I could see Lee. But I [00:50:50] could see the fountain of light inside of their being. Wow. That was their real nature. [00:50:55] And I remembered the phrase. That we are the light, the light that lightens up every [00:51:00] being that comes to the planet, the same light that was found in Jesus.
Henry: Yeah.
Michael: So I could see that in [00:51:05] Kathleen, and I could see that in Lee. That was two years ago. And then after, after about 40 minutes. [00:51:10] You know, it kind of dissolve. The remnants still remain. [00:51:15] Um, it's just gives me
Dave: access. That's, uh,
Michael: yes,
Dave: pretty [00:51:20] amazing. And I think a lot of times people believe that having that [00:51:25] spiritual awakening is a one time thing.
And it seems like it's a series of steps to me. It's [00:51:30] a lifetime. It's a constant
Michael: expansion because the quantum field consciousness [00:51:35] is infinite. So wherever you are, you're just beginning. You just beginning in [00:51:40] this beginning, you keep widening your awareness of what is [00:51:45] beautiful and then it has to be integration or an embodiment or you'll [00:51:50] be so heavenly bound, which you won't, you won't be in the earthly good.
You just feel that way to be [00:51:55] high,
Henry: right? Returning that and I think even quantum in a way, you know, in [00:52:00] people's understanding, just a very cliff note version is being everywhere at once, [00:52:05] you know, all the time yet almost an observable. And, and I, because I grew up in the [00:52:10] church and I've heard message after message I tell people Jesus was the first quantum.
It [00:52:15] was like the quantum Christ, because before he had to be with you, he walked with people. [00:52:20] He said, I could talk to you because I'm talking to Dave today, but he said, I've got to go away [00:52:25] and I'm going to send back the comforter, which we know as the Holy Spirit, a [00:52:30] spirit that's not bound by space, time or any of that.
So it was. [00:52:35] Everywhere it wants all the time, which is now what quantum is trying to see [00:52:40] and explain and measure to a certain degree. So it's all, it's almost cycling. It's [00:52:45] almost coming right back to the beginning of that initial vibration that said in the beginning there [00:52:50] was and now we are. And this is a new beginning right now.
Michael: Your father would [00:52:55] be proud of you, Mary. Thank you.
Dave: So good. Thank you. Well, guys, [00:53:00] I think it's pretty cool, the story behind Soak and just the [00:53:05] way, the way you came up with it, the way it's, it's quantifiably tested. And [00:53:10] then the way it's Quantum fiably tested or you give it to Michael. I just made that up.
Yeah. [00:53:15] Quantum fiably. Yes. So, you know, Hey, Michael, play with this for a year and, you know, [00:53:20] reach afterwards. So it's kind of trust, but verify. I think you guys have done that and people can [00:53:25] go to soak. com S O A A K dot com slash Dave use code, [00:53:30] Dave, and they'll give you a month free. So try it out. You're going to listen to something.
You go to sleep, try [00:53:35] this and see what happens. And well, we've got kind of some top experts in the [00:53:40] world here on the show saying stuff works. And I don't believe either one of them is going to tell you that [00:53:45] if it doesn't. And so thank you. You can use it. If it doesn't work, we got a month [00:53:50] free. That's okay.
And you can use it. It works. It is worth it. Then you get it. And that is how it's [00:53:55] supposed to be. So enjoy it. Soak. com slash Dave and worth your time. [00:54:00] See you next time on the human upgrade [00:54:05] podcast.