Speaker: [00:00:00] According to the EPA, 75 million Americans fall [00:00:05] ill each year from the buildings that they work in. In America, [00:00:10] all chemicals are presumed innocent until proven guilty. What that means [00:00:15] is, is that anybody can manufacture a new chemical. And by the way, over 80, [00:00:20] 000 new chemicals have been introduced into our everyday environment [00:00:25] in the past 30 years.
Speaker 2: Alan Bell is a leading environmental health expert and [00:00:30] survivor who's dedicated his life to exposing the hidden toxins in our everyday lives And showing [00:00:35] you how to fight back before they destroy yours
Speaker: when I wrote my book [00:00:40] in 17 I came up with the 10 most toxic chemicals and where they're [00:00:45] located in your everyday life and the 20 ways to modify your Lifestyle and minimize your risk.[00:00:50]
What are those 10 most dangerous chemicals?
Speaker 3: You're listening to the human [00:00:55] Human upgrade with Dave Asprey.
[00:01:00] Alan, you went from busting the mafia to nearly being killed by your [00:01:05] office building. What
Speaker: happened? Well, you know, the way you put it, it's, [00:01:10] it sounds pretty exciting. I was in South Florida back in the [00:01:15] 1980s. I was an organized crime prosecutor back then. [00:01:20] Prosecuting the Colombian cartel drug rings and the mafia.
[00:01:25] And suddenly I moved into a new building. Back then I was living the [00:01:30] American dream. New baby girl, new house, new cars, [00:01:35] athletic, everything was great. And shortly after moving it to the new building, [00:01:40] I began getting some symptoms. I thought it was a cold, [00:01:45] and it felt like the flu. Then it got something far [00:01:50] more sinister than that.
I went from doctor to doctor, all over the [00:01:55] United States, because it started getting worse and worse and worse. It [00:02:00] got to the point where I was getting grand mal seizures. They needed to find out [00:02:05] what was wrong with me. So what they ultimately found was, is they [00:02:10] told me that it wasn't the mafia that had poisoned [00:02:15] me, which they thought really was the most likely suspect because I had [00:02:20] prosecuted them.
Right. And in the course of that, you know, [00:02:25] investigation, I hired my investigators and they went through all aspects of my [00:02:30] life. to try and find out who poisoned me. They went to the movie [00:02:35] theaters that I went into, the gymnasiums that I worked out in [00:02:40] the courthouse that I worked in, and then finally, the building [00:02:45] that I was working in.
And you know what they found, Dave? They [00:02:50] found out that other people in the building were falling ill as well. Our [00:02:55] first thought was, why would the mafia want to poison them? They [00:03:00] weren't prosecuting them. Well, as it turns out, it wasn't [00:03:05] an a thing that poisoned us, a person that poisoned us, but it was the [00:03:10] actual building that we were all living in.
It was a brand new [00:03:15] building with new carpeting, new paints, new glues, new [00:03:20] everything. And it was outgassing volatile organic compounds, and we [00:03:25] were all breathing this stuff in. And I got to the point where it caused me to [00:03:30] become hypersensitive to everything in the environment. [00:03:35] Perfumes, colognes, hairsprays, automobile exhaust, newspaper print, [00:03:40] whatever it was, triggered me to have grand mal [00:03:45] seizures.
So, in an effort to save my life, they airlifted me [00:03:50] into a bubble. In the middle of the Arizona desert, [00:03:55] 800 square foot bubble made out of glass, brick and [00:04:00] steel, no carpeting, no drapes, not even [00:04:05] a bed. It was just something like, like a metal [00:04:10] contraption that I would sleep on to basically sequester me from all environmental toxins, anything outgassing VOCs.
It was [00:04:15] just something like, like a metal contraption that I would sleep on to basically sequester me from all environmental toxins, anything outgassing VOCs. [00:04:20] And outside this bubble was only [00:04:25] cactus. No roads, no schools, no people. It was [00:04:30] isolated and desolate. And that's how I ended up. Um, I'm tall like you, I'm, [00:04:35] I'm six foot two, and I went down to a hundred and forty five [00:04:40] pounds.
In a wheelchair, tethered to an oxygen tank. [00:04:45] And that's how I ended up. Wow.
Speaker 3: Do they know which chemical did it? [00:04:50]
Speaker: Back then in the 1980s, they didn't have the technology that they have [00:04:55] now. So they did not have the ability to isolate this [00:05:00] specific chemical, but it was a chemical soup. It was like all kinds of [00:05:05] different things.
And. You know, you have to remember, Dave, back in the 1980s, [00:05:10] they were trying to save electric costs, uh, energy, [00:05:15] so they were making the buildings tight, they were sealing them up, they weren't bringing [00:05:20] any fresh air that they have, that they require now, according to the law. [00:05:25] So we were breathing in everything and anything we were breathing in the volatile organic [00:05:30] compounds from the paints, from the carpeting, from the [00:05:35] air fresheners, from the, the, the, the plastics outgassing.[00:05:40]
Speaker 3: Wow. It, it reminds me in, in my tech career in [00:05:45] the geez, must've been like 1997 or something. I worked for [00:05:50] a First tech company to build data centers. So when Google was two people and two computers, they [00:05:55] were our customers and we took off like crazy. So we remodeled a building. [00:06:00] I'm right there on great America Parkway in the middle of Santa Clara.
Everybody moved [00:06:05] in same thing. It smelled like new cubicles, new furniture. [00:06:10] I already had chemical sensitivity from a toxic mold exposure, and it [00:06:15] was debilitating red eyes, coughing, puffy. But it wasn't just me, [00:06:20] everybody's like, Oh, I'm getting a cold. I'm getting a cold. And I talked to our facilities [00:06:25] manager and his name was actually Tex.
And I said, Tex, you know [00:06:30] what, what's going on with this? He goes, well, we got all the air set up. So 50 percent recycles [00:06:35] to save money. And I'm like, do you think you could just turn that off and just like, let us have fresh air in the [00:06:40] sealed building? I was like, nah, it wastes too much electricity. So I just kind of came in [00:06:45] late for work and work from home, but it was brain fog city.
And I know I wasn't the only one [00:06:50] and you amplify that times a million structures in the U S it [00:06:55] seems like this is a major issue. Are there [00:07:00] standards for off gassing for our workplaces or for our homes?
Speaker: You [00:07:05] know, you brought up a very good point, uh, and that is how widespread this issue is. You know, [00:07:10] according to the EPA, 75 million Americans [00:07:15] fall ill each year from the buildings that they work in.
[00:07:20] And that doesn't even count illness coming from the [00:07:25] houses that they're living in. These are just buildings that they're working in. But in answer to [00:07:30] your question, there really are no standards in this [00:07:35] country. Uh, governing the amount of VOCs people are exposed to. [00:07:40] New buildings are now required to have a certain number of air [00:07:45] exchanges per minute.
But in terms of measuring VOCs, [00:07:50] there's no law. Now, there's a reason why there's no such laws, and we can get into [00:07:55] that later.
Speaker 3: It's not very expensive to get small particulate meter and a [00:08:00] VOC meter. It's two, 300 for something like that. If I remember right, I've actually flown with [00:08:05] one on airplanes and you can see the volatile organics go up through the roof when you start [00:08:10] smelling jet fuel when they're taking off.
And you can see a lot of these hotels where they're actually [00:08:15] spraying the signature scent. So when you walk into the lobby, it's [00:08:20] literally a wall of endocrine disrupting toxins that affect multiple systems [00:08:25] in your body. Why is it even legal to manufacture that stuff, much less to deploy [00:08:30] it against our population?
Speaker: That's the million dollar question. It's a long answer.
Speaker 3: I don't [00:08:35] know if you'd like to hear it. You're a legal expert. You are the one human who would [00:08:40] understand this because you lived it and you fought it in court for so long.
Speaker: Here's the deal. [00:08:45] In America, All chemicals are presumed innocent until proven guilty.[00:08:50]
What that means is, is that anybody can manufacture a new [00:08:55] chemical. And by the way, Over 80, 000 new chemicals have been [00:09:00] introduced into our everyday environment in the past 30 years, [00:09:05] 80, 000. What could ever go wrong? So [00:09:10] any, any Tom, Dick or Harry could go in their garage, mix [00:09:15] something up, introduce it into the marketplace.
It's totally [00:09:20] legal. Now, are other countries like this to this extreme? [00:09:25] No, they're not. If you compare other countries like France, England, [00:09:30] Germany, Sweden, Denmark, even you know, [00:09:35] even Canada, as a general rule, those chemicals that are [00:09:40] introduced into their environments, Are presumed guilty until proven innocent.
So what [00:09:45] does that mean if they're presumed guilty? That means that the government [00:09:50] needs to basically give their okay before they're introduced [00:09:55] into the marketplace. Not here. Any Chinese manufacturer could [00:10:00] bring in toxic drywall and dump it, dump it into our, you know, into our [00:10:05] chain of commerce. Any mother can go shopping for toxic baby [00:10:10] dot diapers, toxic baby bottles.
Even with the BPA [00:10:15] in it, it's all okay. Now you might want to ask yourself, [00:10:20] why is it okay? Because the average mother, the average American, [00:10:25] they think if they walk into a store. And they purchased something [00:10:30] that it must be tested and it must be okay. No, no, no, no, it's [00:10:35] not. And here's why. Because Big Pharma, [00:10:40] Big Agra, Big Chemical lobby Congress to keep [00:10:45] the laws just the way they are.
If you follow the [00:10:50] money, you'll understand that If you [00:10:55] regulate chemicals heavier than they're regulated now, it's going to cost [00:11:00] manufacturers to basically produce these products [00:11:05] at a much higher cost. So the cost is going to be borne by the [00:11:10] manufacturer. They don't want that. You know, for example, Apple, Apple will come out with a [00:11:15] computer and they'll introduce it into the U.
S. And it'll have higher levels [00:11:20] of VOCs than that same model introduced into, say, let's say Denmark. [00:11:25] Why? Because Denmark has higher regulations, so they [00:11:30] make the computer safer. So how does this affect Americans? [00:11:35] Well, it affects us by consuming toxic products [00:11:40] unknowingly. It also affects what happens when you get sick, [00:11:45] too, because big pharma, big agri, big [00:11:50] chemical, they heavily influence the curriculum of medical [00:11:55] schools.
They donate lots of money to medical schools. And [00:12:00] what does that mean? That means the doctors are really only [00:12:05] taught how to treat illness. They're not taught how to [00:12:10] prevent illness. So if you go into a doctor's office and let's say you have [00:12:15] cancer, and the doctor says, okay, you have cancer. You have two [00:12:20] choices.
We could, three choices. We could radiate it. We could chemo it [00:12:25] or we could cut it. What's your choice? And if you asked the doctor, well, why did I [00:12:30] get it to begin with? Doctor says, I don't know. Why [00:12:35] don't they know? They're not being taught this in medical school. Why are they not being taught [00:12:40] it? Because the curriculum is influenced by Big Pharma, Big Chemical, [00:12:45] and Big Agra.
That's why all of this is happening.
Speaker 3: Even in [00:12:50] some of the anti aging medicine circles, they don't teach this stuff. But next year for my [00:12:55] biohacking conference, we're actually offering continuing education credits for doctors to talk about [00:13:00] these environmental influences on how we perform and how sick we get.
And one of [00:13:05] my. One of the people who inspired me is Dr. Bill Ray, uh, out of [00:13:10] Dallas, um, who is a legend in the environmental illness field, and I got to interview him in my [00:13:15] Toxic Mold documentary, because what I found is, when we put chemicals in our buildings like this, [00:13:20] We seal them up. We also cause the mold that's [00:13:25] in the buildings to become more aggressive in response to the toxins, so you get a double whammy.
We get mother [00:13:30] nature toxins that shouldn't be in homes or in offices, and you get all the chemicals, [00:13:35] and it's a It's to the point that so many [00:13:40] kids have ADHD that I believe is chemical and toxin mediated. We're looking for all [00:13:45] these external factors. I think it might just be what they paint the school with, [00:13:50] right?
How do we sort all this out? It feels like there's so many different variables that the chemical [00:13:55] companies can sort of dodge and weave and hide. It wasn't this chemical, it was that chemical when it was really the [00:14:00] combination.
Speaker: Well, I think, I think the root cause is we need to change the laws. Right now, [00:14:05] the only remedy is to sue these people, and, and that's what I do, you [00:14:10] know, you and I compliment each other, you know, you're an advocate for treatment, you're an advocate for [00:14:15] prevention, and, and I get these people, uh, when they want the justice, [00:14:20] after they've been chewed up and spit out, I think that's a great thing that you're doing, to have [00:14:25] people, you know, uh, faculty go in and teach this in your, in your seminars.[00:14:30]
I'm a adjunct professor of Boston University [00:14:35] School of Neurotoxicology, and I'm also on the faculty of [00:14:40] the University of Miami. And that's what I do. I teach medical [00:14:45] students, you know, how the environment [00:14:50] impacts their patient's health. And why the heck do they need a [00:14:55] lawyer to teach doctors, you know, they should be teaching this in medical school.[00:15:00]
Speaker 3: But you're right. [00:15:05] They do need to change the law. And I feel much safer now that they've blocked [00:15:10] our ability to sue chemical manufacturers for making Paraquat and [00:15:15] spraying that on us, which is a pesticide or herbicide. I forget. But, but, but it seems like [00:15:20] big pharma has this idea. You can't sue me. I made a law that you can't sue me.
And they're now [00:15:25] spreading that. evil into the big chemical industry, into the big ag [00:15:30] industry, uh, to the point that if, oh, and that was a secret vote by the way. [00:15:35] So you don't even get to know what politicians sold us out as a, [00:15:40] an attorney who really understands the inner workings of this stuff. Are you [00:15:45] hopeful that our system is getting better or are we actually just going to make it so there is no liability for poisoning people?
[00:15:50] Cause it's easier.
Speaker: I think as time goes on, it's getting harder [00:15:55] and harder instead of easier and easier. Um, you're seeing, you know, [00:16:00] you're seeing pieces of the pie being cut out more and more where people are [00:16:05] being, are being limited in, in, in more and more in what they, in what they could [00:16:10] sue. You know, Bobby Kennedy was one of the original, Bobby Kenney Jr.
was, was [00:16:15] one of the, you know, original lawyers on that, uh, case in San Francisco with, with the [00:16:20] herbicide case the huge verdict. And, you know, I've had the, [00:16:25] I've had the privilege of working with Bobby on, on different cases, uh, different toxic [00:16:30] tort cases as well. Um, and I, I became [00:16:35] so excited, you know, when he was appointed the head of HHS.
Because if [00:16:40] anybody could help turn this around, it would be him. But then again, [00:16:45] he's just one guy, you know, in a system [00:16:50] that's, that's basically stacked against a little guy. And [00:16:55] it's unfortunate. So I think that the, you know, [00:17:00] one way that people could fight this to help protect themselves and their [00:17:05] families is to educate themselves on, on, on how they [00:17:10] could live, how they can modify their lifestyle and minimize the risk.
and [00:17:15] prevent themselves and their families from becoming another statistic. I know you [00:17:20] touched on, you know, the widespread nature of human disease related to the environment. [00:17:25] Try this on for size. You know, one out of every three women [00:17:30] are going to get cancer in their lifetime. And one out of every three, [00:17:35] one out of every two men are going to get cancer in our lifetime.[00:17:40]
And 80 percent of all cancers, okay, is [00:17:45] cause. by the everyday environment that you're exposed to in your home, your [00:17:50] school, your workplace, and your community. That's pretty scary [00:17:55] because this is preventable. If you arm yourself with knowledge, you can minimize your [00:18:00] risk. And it's not just cancer. It's heart disease.
It's no longer about diet and [00:18:05] exercise. It's also about what you breathe and what you touch and [00:18:10] neurodegenerative disease, which I know you focus on that a lot. [00:18:15] Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, ALS. I've had cases that I brought to court [00:18:20] where people develop these neurodegenerative diseases and we were able to prove in the [00:18:25] courtroom that they were caused by an environmental exposure.
It's no longer just [00:18:30] about genetics. In fact, most of it is environmental. For [00:18:35] example, Parkinson's, it's a rapidly growing neurodegenerative disease. [00:18:40] 85 percent of all Parkinson's diseases [00:18:45] are caused by the environment that you're exposed to. It's not a genetic disease, [00:18:50] it's an environmental disease. It's, it's alarming, really.
Speaker 3: It's [00:18:55] terribly alarming. And I, I learned for myself and then [00:19:00] for others, there's a total toxic burden number on the body. [00:19:05] And it's not that quantitative because depending on which toxins and which [00:19:10] detox pathways you have active, the set of toxins that might make one [00:19:15] person sick, Won't make you sick, but they increase your burden, right?
So they make you [00:19:20] weaker. And I walk around and I look at these well meaning parents doing things [00:19:25] that increase the toxic burden for no benefit. It drives me nuts. A case in point [00:19:30] Downy fabric softener. It is a chemical bath of stuff that has no [00:19:35] business being in your endocrine system. It has no benefit whatsoever.
But people do [00:19:40] it, right? And then they sleep on sheets covered in it. And they're absorbing it through their skin. [00:19:45] And then they get up and they spray on their Axe body spray or Chanel No. 5. I don't really care. It's all [00:19:50] the same stuff. Right? And this is intentional toxin exposure, [00:19:55] and they don't know that the bed that they laid on was made out of stuff that was also stopping their [00:20:00] thyroid.
It feels kind of overwhelming, because how are you supposed [00:20:05] to run a house and you go to the grocery store and almost everything you can buy, except for maybe from a couple [00:20:10] companies that your, whatever, Safeway doesn't have, what are we supposed to do to [00:20:15] even know how to take one step?
Speaker: You know, that's a very good [00:20:20] question, and we're like, we're a critical mass of like minded people.
That, that [00:20:25] want to make a difference in an issue that's so much bigger [00:20:30] than us, so much bigger than us. You know, there's only so much you can [00:20:35] do. I mean, you're, you're doing so many amazing things by bringing [00:20:40] this to the awareness of millions of people, Dave, and, and, and, and doing your [00:20:45] summits and doing your podcasts and, and what you're [00:20:50] doing is really impacting a lot of people.
Thank you. And [00:20:55] I think another way to do it is through a form of entertainment, [00:21:00] and we're developing a television series, okay, [00:21:05] based upon my cases, okay, and every week is a [00:21:10] different episode, or every season would be a different case. of a [00:21:15] person or group of people, they get sick or die from an environmental exposure, and [00:21:20] this eccentric lawyer and his team identifies the problem, [00:21:25] brings the bad guys to justice.
And in fact, I should tell you that [00:21:30] the, the producer that's, uh, that's attached to this is a guy by the name of [00:21:35] Tony Eldridge. He is the founding producer. Of the [00:21:40] Equalizer series the Equalizer films starring Denzel [00:21:45] Washington, and this is not a plug. You didn't know this was [00:21:50] coming. He loves your bulletproof coffee.
He drinks it every [00:21:55] day.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. Well, what are, there's so much [00:22:00] of Hollywood does that. And the reason that butter and MCT oil in [00:22:05] coffee works as well as it does is it affects bile flow and detox [00:22:10] pathways and the MCT that's in it affects mitochondrial function. And these [00:22:15] environmental toxins are poisoning mitochondria.
So your mitochondrial function goes down [00:22:20] and then you use the MCTs and just caffeine and all the other goes up to [00:22:25] crank it back up. I don't know any group of people with more toxic [00:22:30] exposure than Hollywood actors, except for maybe firefighters. [00:22:35] And that's because they're on these temporary sets. I've been on set with lots of [00:22:40] stars, and they're all guzzling butter and taking glutathione and all the things, and they feel feel [00:22:45] like crap because they're constantly exposed to all the worst things on set [00:22:50] and it feels like these are expensive employees they make millions and [00:22:55] millions of dollars you think they could buy an air filter on set but they never do what's going on there are [00:23:00] the the people around the scenes just completely ignorant or they don't care because there's another actor like why would [00:23:05] you do that it's ignorance
Speaker: That's all it is.
They're not stupid. [00:23:10] They're ignorant. They don't have the knowledge [00:23:15] to even understand what they're being exposed to. It's ignorance, [00:23:20] and that's representative of what's going on all over the [00:23:25] country. You know, some of the most intelligent people, doctors, [00:23:30] lawyers, uh, scientists, uh, rocket, uh, tech people [00:23:35] in, in Silicon Valley, unless you educate them, they, they
Speaker 3: have no idea.
[00:23:40] It's true. I guess if you always feel bad, uh, then that's just the normal state [00:23:45] of things. You're not going to know you could feel better. And if you stop using You know, some kind of [00:23:50] scented product is not going to change anything because you have 10 other ones that are just floating around. And if you get rid [00:23:55] of all of them, when do you have that experience?
Unless you do something intentional, it's kind of [00:24:00] hidden.
Speaker: Now, you mentioned Bill Ray. You know, I was a patient of Bill Ray's.
Speaker 3: Ah, I thought [00:24:05] you might have been. It just made sense given the timing and how sick you were. Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I went there and he [00:24:10] had a leper colony in Texas, Segalville, Texas, and I lived there [00:24:15] as a leper.
And, um, Yeah, Bill was getting people with chemical [00:24:20] sensitivity all around the world, and it's still happening. It's still [00:24:25] occurring. We, at least some governmental agencies now recognize it as a legitimate. [00:24:30] Uh, illness, um, the Medicare recognizes it as a legitimate [00:24:35] illness.
Speaker 3: You're saying, you're saying, uh, multiple chemical sensitivity or MCS as in, [00:24:40] or fibromyalgia, which one?
Speaker: Multiple chemical sensitivity is recognized by the [00:24:45] American Disabilities Act, okay? And also fibromyalgia. [00:24:50] They both are, but mainstream doctors still have no clue.
Speaker 3: [00:24:55] So this is just a note for anyone who sees this video or listens to the show. If [00:25:00] you or someone you know is just reacting to everything in the environment, you're not crazy.
Uh, it's not all in your head. [00:25:05] If your doctor doesn't know, find a doctor who does, because the most powerful words you can ever [00:25:10] say to a doctor who won't provide you care are, you're fired, because then you get another one. Right, and you have a [00:25:15] right to do that if they won't listen to you, but the vast majority of doctors, [00:25:20] they want to help you, they want to heal, being mad at your doctor doesn't do anything, but [00:25:25] if you kindly and respectfully do your research, come in prepared, and they just blow you [00:25:30] off, That's okay.
Doctors are replaceable, but don't be pissed off at them when they [00:25:35] don't deserve it, because most of the MCS or fibromyalgia people I've [00:25:40] ever worked with, or toxic mold people, very similar set of things, they're so exhausted, [00:25:45] they cannot regulate their emotions very well. And they can't remember things because their brain is cooked.[00:25:50]
And I know mine was there, right? So they tend to be jerks and they feel bad about it. And they tend to be [00:25:55] exhausted. They can't get motivated. They don't do what the doctor told them. All this stuff. So hats off to [00:26:00] the doctors who care for that population because they're the least compliant, hardest to deal with.
[00:26:05] How did you climb out of this for your own health?
Speaker: Well, there's um, [00:26:10] an academy called the American Academy of Environmental Medicine. And [00:26:15] Bill Ray started that, as you know, right? Right. And so if any of [00:26:20] your viewers have MCS or anything like that look up the [00:26:25] closest doctor to you, that's a member of that Academy, but how did I climb out of it?
[00:26:30] I went all over the country. I tried everything and anything. [00:26:35] And basically I, I started taking a drug called, uh, [00:26:40] Neurontin, which was back Gabapentin and I'm still on it [00:26:45] to, to this day. Okay. Uh, I was on huge doses, 4, 800 milligrams a [00:26:50] day, and I'm down to 1, 200 a day. But that [00:26:55] in conjunction with safe house.
food. I take [00:27:00] saunas every other day. I work out, you know, every single day. I take [00:27:05] supplements. I think I could learn a lot from you to, to, to, to get the [00:27:10] next step better. I've tried, I've even tried exosomes. [00:27:15] I've tried all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: So you're a professor of [00:27:20] neurotoxicology and all, and I'm going to say something.
That's probably a little bit inflammatory and I want you to shoot holes in [00:27:25] it or say, huh? I think there's a letter missing from MCS [00:27:30] multiple chemical sensitivity. I think it should be MCAS Which stands for a [00:27:35] mass cell activation syndrome and the common elements I've found with [00:27:40] environmental illness toxic mold Lyme disease [00:27:45] Long COVID did I say fibromyalgia chronic fatigue, all these things [00:27:50] is over activation of the mast cell system, which is part of the immune system.
And [00:27:55] usually when you block that activation with various drugs, but it's [00:28:00] usually things that are basic, like Claritin or Pepsid, that people have [00:28:05] dramatic recoveries. So are we all just really dealing with immune [00:28:10] cells that are getting set off by environmental toxins because they're so bad for us, our bodies are just [00:28:15] trying to protect us?
Speaker: You know, years ago they came up with the term [00:28:20] multiple chemical sensitivity because they had no idea what mast cells even were. Right. [00:28:25] So now that science is catching up and they're seeing that you know, [00:28:30] mass cell activation syndrome you know, could be a key to this whole [00:28:35] thing. Claudia Miller, MD, PhD at University of Texas in San [00:28:40] Antonio.
She's a friend of mine. She's an ardent advocate of this [00:28:45] that mass cell activation is one of the primary underlying [00:28:50] causes of. All these garbage can diagnoses, and that's what they are, [00:28:55] is garbage can diagnoses. Fibromyalgia is just a description of pain throughout your [00:29:00] body. Chemical sensitivity is just a description of, well, you're alert, you know, you're [00:29:05] hypersensitive to all these chemicals.
But they still don't have the science to [00:29:10] be able to pinpoint the accuracy that the mast [00:29:15] cells are the sole cause of this whole problem. I happen to think [00:29:20] that it's not that simple. I think it's part of the picture, but not the whole picture. Because [00:29:25] the immune system, the nervous system, and the endocrine system, they're [00:29:30] compartmentalized.
But really, the holistic being, they're all intertwined with [00:29:35] each other. You can't just say, uh, it's this, it's this immune problem, or this [00:29:40] neurological problem, or this endocrine problem. It's, they all [00:29:45] overlap. You mentioned that if somebody takes claritin, that their histamine levels go [00:29:50] lower. And therefore it, it holds this, you know, this disease [00:29:55] at bay.
So mass cells, when they get excited, okay. And when [00:30:00] they're unstable, they basically release hundreds of different [00:30:05] toxic chemicals into the mass cells. Are, the immune [00:30:10] system's warning, basically warning system is saying alarm, alarm, [00:30:15] there's something, there's an invader that's come into the body and we need [00:30:20] to attack it, okay?
You know, thousand years ago, the only invaders were [00:30:25] biological. But now they're chemical, so the ancient immune system [00:30:30] is basically misfiring against chemicals and causing [00:30:35] these chemical releases into the body, thinking it's going to kill [00:30:40] the organism that's invaded it, but it's not an organism that's invading it.[00:30:45]
It's a chemical, so it's not going to kill a chemical. So, [00:30:50] Histamine is only one of hundreds of chemicals that are released by [00:30:55] the mast cells. Another chemical that it releases is called [00:31:00] prostaglandulin. And these antihistamines won't touch [00:31:05] prostaglandulins. So you need to take another type of a mast cell [00:31:10] stabilizer that just doesn't target histamines, but Basically [00:31:15] tries to stabilize the mass cell.
And I take that as called Chromalyn [00:31:20] Ketotepin
Speaker 3: Ketotepin. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. If I took Chromalyn, it didn't do anything for me [00:31:25] because I'm spewing out prostaglandulins and, uh, [00:31:30] you know, you could get 10 people with, you know, mass cell activation, and there'll be [00:31:35] spewing all different types of chemicals into their blood.
Now I, I [00:31:40] represent these mold victims and, you know, Almost all of them have mass cell [00:31:45] activation, and I, and I call in expert witnesses to explain [00:31:50] to a jury in layman terms what it is and why it's [00:31:55] causing, why it's destroying these victims lives from,
Speaker 3: from mold. I love your [00:32:00] description there, and I think of these mass cells as [00:32:05] landmines.
So, they're supposed to only blow up when a tank rolls on them, but now a puff [00:32:10] of air sets it off. And when it blows up, it's not just histamine 1 and histamine 2 that comes [00:32:15] out of there, uh, or histamine that activates 1 and 2, it's, like you said, hundreds of things, all the [00:32:20] inflammatory cytokines that some of our audience knows about.
And then, because they're so [00:32:25] sensitive, A little bit of chemical sets it off and then [00:32:30] creates this rolling thing where this mind went off and set off that mindset of [00:32:35] that mind. So you get these flushing, you get the hives, you get the brain fog, you get the seizures, [00:32:40] all those things. And when you lower the exposure [00:32:45] surface of things that can trigger it, it helps people more.
So even if the primary thing [00:32:50] is pro is prostaglandin or. Um, any of these other cytokines, [00:32:55] just by lowering the net number of them, it turns out for a lot of people, they get relief from the [00:33:00] histamines. And then, when you get into it, you can talk to some really heavy duty mast cell [00:33:05] doctors like this. And glitilfafen is also a common thing.
And from a biohacking [00:33:10] perspective, like, okay, reduce toxin exposure, right? Set up your environment so it's less [00:33:15] stressful. Improve your mitochondrial function because underlying all of this, the [00:33:20] Treg cells, everything, it's all mitochondrial, and the mitochondria are being poisoned. And I [00:33:25] suspect, but I can't prove, that's part of why the body's like, it's looking for what is the [00:33:30] poison, and it's not finding it with immune things from bacterial surfaces or fungal [00:33:35] surfaces.
So it's all right. I know I'm being poisoned. I don't know what it is. So I'm going to just [00:33:40] make my immune reactivity so strong that I know you're going to find it. Kind of like a pregnant [00:33:45] woman. Everything makes them nauseous because it's like, don't expose me that I got a baby in here. But when we're [00:33:50] overexposed, we get that same stuff.
And the symptoms can be from what you had [00:33:55] seizures. My mother had seizures. Um, still does actually, um, that I think are triggered by some [00:34:00] things like that. To ADHD, to neurocognitive things, [00:34:05] to profound changes in personality, even some schizophrenia and bipolar. You [00:34:10] give people a little whiff of this chemical and they turn into, they think they're Jesus.
[00:34:15] None of these people is crazy. All of them have things going on and the uniting element is, [00:34:20] Chemicals, toxins, and mitochondria. When you peel every layer away that's left, that's [00:34:25] all I can find. And a lot of the biohacks are stronger mitochondria, [00:34:30] stronger mitochondrial networks. And when we start doing that, our resilience to [00:34:35] everything goes up.
But why should we have to do that when it's so simple to make [00:34:40] a cleaner environment? And thank God you're doing the, the legal work you're [00:34:45] doing on holding companies accountable. And also that you've been able to do the work on [00:34:50] yourself to bring in, you found a pharmaceutical that works for you. Imagine if [00:34:55] everyone who had these kind of symptoms, my numbers say a hundred million people in the U.
[00:35:00] S. are dealing with this at one level or another from, uh, Moldy Movie, my documentary on toxic [00:35:05] mold. Brother, have you seen Moldy? Are you aware of it? It was great. Okay, cool. That [00:35:10] was great, yeah. I wanted to point you to it. And guys, if you're listening, MoldyMovie. com, completely free. [00:35:15] It's a documentary that did feature, uh, Bill Ray as well as many others like Daniel [00:35:20] Amen.
Just talking about this is real. What you're using is a, this drug called [00:35:25] gabapentin that reduces nerve sensitization. Underlying all that it's [00:35:30] mitochondria. Like all nerves are powered by mitochondria, right? And so you found the combination that [00:35:35] works and i'm guessing you're managing it every single day, right?
Speaker: That's right.
Speaker 3: I manage my [00:35:40] stuff Probably 10 percent of what of what I used to do just by building resilience [00:35:45] through biohacking But it has required I don't talk about this on the show. It has [00:35:50] required understanding Signaling networks in biology that do not teach in medical school, or [00:35:55] if they teach it, I'd say they probably teach it wrong.
Understanding [00:36:00] epinephrine norepinephrine and blood pressure and how all of these are [00:36:05] variables that can set off this thing. And I was working with a dear [00:36:10] friend. She has environmentally triggered cyclical vomiting syndrome, which [00:36:15] means every six weeks for three days, she vomits every 20 minutes and has [00:36:20] destroyed her productivity.
And it's gone after [00:36:25] one conversation with a few supplements that, that regulated systems that aren't the [00:36:30] ones we're talking about. And then it came back a little bit, but it's like, Oh, now I have the tools, but she [00:36:35] turned it off mid thing. So all of a sudden it's like, I got my life back. And I've seen this [00:36:40] thousands and thousands of times in the biohacking community, people who are literally [00:36:45] like the, I have no reason to live.
I cannot function in the world. And I was one of those people. [00:36:50] I bought disability insurance at 26. And to be able to have the tools to say, you [00:36:55] know, it's more work than it was, but I can manage this and I just know what to do. [00:37:00] That's one of my big missions, guys. Like, if you feel this way, probably do this.
And it seems like AI is going [00:37:05] to really, really change that. I'm working on some tools for people. Are you [00:37:10] finding AI is helping you personally with environmental illness? I haven't really used it. [00:37:15] Change your life. It's so good because you already know so much and [00:37:20] you understand neurotoxicology just, you know, in fact, I, I literally, as we were talking, I'm [00:37:25] like, Hey, Chad, GPT, mine's tuned to treat me like a PhD biologist and a bunch of other stuff.
And [00:37:30] I'm like, talk to me about the mast cell effects of gabapentin. And it says, well, you know, there are [00:37:35] some studies showing that it's a substance P mediated lowering of mast cell [00:37:40] degranulation. I'm like, oh, substance P, there's a whole bunch we can do around this. The primordial threat sensing [00:37:45] molecule that single cell bacteria have in response to environmental chemicals.[00:37:50]
And substance P is what curcumin, or not curcumin, what, uh, capsaicin, [00:37:55] that, you know, spicy cream you rub on for arthritis, it's depleting your substance P. Substance P is dense for [00:38:00] pain. It's like, oh, we're doing that. So that opens up this whole other [00:38:05] avenue, okay? ChatGPT, what can I do around substance P modulation?
And if you [00:38:10] asked it that, I would probably tell you, look at the alignment of your bite. Because a misaligned by if you grind [00:38:15] your teeth, it's going to crank up your substance P levels and your chances of getting a grand mal seizure will go up. [00:38:20] And you're like, what? All these pathways I didn't know! So the speed of biohacking for [00:38:25] me is ten times what it was before and it's so cool.
Wow. That's, that's [00:38:30] really cool. So I got to like take an evening. I know you're working and you're [00:38:35] helping a lot of people, uh, with the cases you're working on, but it's take an evening and sit down and be [00:38:40] curious with your incredible knowledge of all this and just ask away. And you may [00:38:45] find, Oh my gosh, there's that other drug I didn't think about that just unlocks it.
Speaker: You want, what, you want me to [00:38:50] ask you something?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want you to go to chat GPT tonight or whatever your favorite thing [00:38:55] is. And just sit down. Cause you, you have this cool thing. great brain. You've studied this for so long. Just turn it [00:39:00] around and I have now have the world's best expert witness who understands all biology and tell it to act that [00:39:05] way to explain this and just be curious like you would if you're cross examining [00:39:10] someone and just go deep and you might find, wow, like there's so [00:39:15] much.
Potential for anyone listening to the show say, you know, Hey, AI, [00:39:20] I want you to chat. I want you to stack rank, which [00:39:25] of these chemicals or which chemicals I'm likely exposed to that would be triggering these symptoms. Tell me just from [00:39:30] a likelihood, it'll tell you in order number one, number two, number three, number four, number five, and then go through your house and eliminate [00:39:35] those.
And if you don't know where those are, you say, Hey I don't know where to find [00:39:40] formaldehyde in my house. Here's the brands I like, or here's a picture of my room. Tell me where I'm going [00:39:45] to find it. It'll just tell you, and it's right there. And then you go through and you throw all that crap out and you go, that does smell [00:39:50] bad and you wake up the next morning and you feel better and your eyes aren't red and like, we can [00:39:55] all do this.
And it would, you couldn't do this a year ago.
Speaker: That's right. And it's going to get better and [00:40:00] better. I mean, when I wrote my book in 17, I came up with the 10 [00:40:05] most toxic chemicals and where they're located in your everyday life. The [00:40:10] 20 ways to modify your lifestyle and minimize your risk, but that's [00:40:15] compared to ai.
That's nothing. Right?[00:40:20]
What are those 10 most dangerous chemicals? Acrylamide. [00:40:25] Atrazine. Benzene. [00:40:30] Bisphenol. A PFCs. That's long chain per [00:40:35] fluorinated Chemicals. Methyl tur butyl ether, which is [00:40:40] MTVE, percolates fi folates, [00:40:45] and then PC des, which is polybrominated by [00:40:50] Diphenyl EERs and short train. Short chain [00:40:55] chlorinated paraffins.
Now, you might wanna say, well, where are these located? Well, [00:41:00] you know the acrylamides, they're, they're located in food packaging, cosmetics, [00:41:05] disposable diapers. They're, they're in barbecue food, fast food [00:41:10] restaurants. They're created when you fry your foods. They're also ingested from [00:41:15] tobacco smoke, drinking water, and touching products that contain them.
I mean, I could go [00:41:20] on and on and on, but all of these chemicals, like atrazine, okay? That's a big one. [00:41:25] More than 70 million pounds of this chemical [00:41:30] is used as an agricultural pesticide, and they're sprayed in our croplands each [00:41:35] year. And most of it is to protect corn, okay? And the [00:41:40] workers inhale it, they absorb it, and we eat it when we eat corn.
Benzenes, [00:41:45] it's in petroleum products, coal products. You know, it [00:41:50] basically affects your brain, fatty tissue. It, it kills pregnant women, [00:41:55] it goes across the placenta, the bisphenol A is commonly [00:42:00] found in eyeglass lenses, automobile parts, CDs, food [00:42:05] containers, plastic dinnerware, toys, I mean, I could go on and on and on.
We have [00:42:10] a handout, maybe you could display it on your
Speaker 3: yeah, it sounds a lot of [00:42:15] people. I know kind of their eyes roll back on the head. Like this is too much. I can't deal with it. [00:42:20] The important lesson here is perfection is not required. You just want to lower your [00:42:25] burden, right? And not be stressed about it.
Like, okay, I'm going to do my best. The one that [00:42:30] really astounds me is atrazine. Is that allowed to be sprayed in other [00:42:35] countries? Some countries? Yes. Some
Speaker: countries? No. How about [00:42:40] China? Do you know? Probably. I mean, I went to law school at Oxford [00:42:45] University as an exchange student. So we got to study what European law is [00:42:50] compared to U.
S. law. And U. S. law is far more lax than [00:42:55] European law. China, probably anything
Speaker 3: goes. You know what, [00:43:00] you're right, they do allow atrazine. They don't allow Paraquat though, but they actually manufacture [00:43:05] it and send it to us. And they just passed a law last week, via [00:43:10] a hidden vote, that says that we can't sue the companies.
selling [00:43:15] Paraquat, which causes Parkinson's in studies. And it's not even legal to, [00:43:20] to spray it in China, which is where the country that makes this comes from. And I don't have a problem with China [00:43:25] whatsoever, but I do have a problem with a company based in a country being allowed to [00:43:30] spray a poison on my country that they can't spray in theirs.
And that would be a very easy [00:43:35] EPA or other type of law to pass that says, no, Company [00:43:40] globally can sell a product in the U. S. that's illegal in its [00:43:45] own country.
Speaker: Amen. And, you know, you mentioned, you know, there's basic things that [00:43:50] you can do. I mean, you're not going to get perfection. You're not [00:43:55] going to live in a bubble like I did for almost a decade.
Uh, but you could do [00:44:00] just basic things to modify your lifestyle and minimize your risk. [00:44:05] I mean, this, you know, I've, I've listed 20 basic things and that'll be in the [00:44:10] handout. I mean, food, eat organic food, simple. Water, drink [00:44:15] filtered water, but not out of plastic. Make it out of metal, glass [00:44:20] containers, indoor air.
Use filtered, you know, I mean, 90 percent of our [00:44:25] air is inside. You know this better than anybody else. Use HEPA filtered [00:44:30] filtration, personal care products, you know, don't use [00:44:35] ones that have parabens in it and all kinds of chemicals [00:44:40] that you can't pronounce. Cookware, don't use the non stick [00:44:45] cookware, use metal, use glass.
If you're going to use plastics, [00:44:50] stay away from, you know, BPA. If you can use metal instead, [00:44:55] like you said laundry products, unscented just by [00:45:00] using unscented and undyed detergents. Which is everywhere now, [00:45:05] okay? You'll save your body an enormous amount of stuff. Home cleaning [00:45:10] products. You know, go to Whole Foods.
Go to places where it's fragrance free, [00:45:15] chemical free, preservative free. You know, clothing. Wear natural clothing. [00:45:20] Wear wool or cotton. Avoid synthetic clothing. Dry cleaning. [00:45:25] Try not to use dry cleaning, but if you have to use dry cleaning, go to [00:45:30] a place that has wet or carbon dioxide cleaning processes, it's not as [00:45:35] bad.
Pesticides, stay away from them. If you have, if you got termites [00:45:40] in your house, use microwave, you hire a company that microwaves your [00:45:45] house instead of poisoning your house, use boric acid for, you know, for [00:45:50] ants or cockroaches. Furniture? Don't use particle board in your furniture. [00:45:55] Use solid wood. Don't use flame retardants.
Here's a biggie that you mentioned. [00:46:00] Bedding. Dave, all they gotta do. You spend a third of your [00:46:05] life in bed. Okay. All you got to do is buy an organic, an [00:46:10] organic cotton bed with no flame retardants in it, and you're going to [00:46:15] basically avoid a huge burden, huge burden in your life. [00:46:20] If you have to paint your house.
Yeah. Go into any paint store and ask for [00:46:25] zero VOCs.
Speaker 3: Okay. This is, this is the best list ever. [00:46:30] And I have a shout out for Ascensia mattress. I actually co designed a [00:46:35] mattress with them. It's a foam mattress that truly has nothing in it. They use a [00:46:40] Kevlar coating so that it meets flame retardant standards with zero flame retardant in it.
It can [00:46:45] be done. It's an expensive mattress, but it works better than any other bed you'll [00:46:50] see that have toxins or don't. And I got into this because years ago, I [00:46:55] bought a mattress topper, a memory foam one. And I went to sleep on it. My partner at the [00:47:00] time went to sleep on it. We, we both woke up the next morning and she had profound anxiety.
Actually I [00:47:05] had to call the hospital, a panic attack. Like we took her to the hospital and they gave her benzos [00:47:10] and I had the most profound spinal and muscular, it was just the stink [00:47:15] coming off that crappy foam from, from some manufacturing plant somewhere. [00:47:20] And I figure if you, if people did half what's on your list, fix [00:47:25] your mattress and I'll put the link for a cinch on there.
Or any organic cotton [00:47:30] thing you want to do. Just make sure you have a something that seals it from water if it's cotton, because cotton will [00:47:35] mold in a moldy mattress. That's bad news. You have that, okay? That's a [00:47:40] third of your life. Get a HEPA air filter for your bedroom, okay? That's also a third of your life.
And get [00:47:45] a whole house water filter that does a half assed job in an RO unit. And then don't [00:47:50] buy anything with perfume or chemicals to the best of your ability. If you just did that, even if [00:47:55] you still cook on Teflon, which is a bad idea, It's okay. But a third of your life, [00:48:00] you can do it and you'll feel so much better.
It won't feel that hard to do the next step. And then the [00:48:05] other
Speaker: things are by the supplements that Dave recommends, and [00:48:10] he didn't tell me to say this and detoxify yourself, go [00:48:15] into a sauna, go into a hot bath with dead sea salts in it to [00:48:20] draw the poisons out of you for covering. Don't use carpeting. [00:48:25] Yeah.
Use hardwood. Or tile. I mean, this is [00:48:30] simple stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, my house is entirely hardwood and I buy wool [00:48:35] rugs because wool is biodegradable, it's normal. And that's it. [00:48:40] Like there is nothing synthetic. You just don't need it. Exactly. I have a thought [00:48:45] for you. I just had some guys here for the episode I recorded before [00:48:50] you from a company called Mara labs.
And there's just sitting on my desk. We're starting to think of [00:48:55] it. Do you know about Brock elite? No, so I didn't either until about a [00:49:00] year and a half ago. So there's three detox Processes that happen [00:49:05] for most things. Um, you got a bind to something and make it water [00:49:10] soluble then Transform it through oxidation and excrete it.
[00:49:15] They found a broccoli extract, sulforaphane that's activated by another [00:49:20] chemical that does all three stages of detox, which glutathione only does the middle [00:49:25] one, for instance, and I've noticed a massive difference from that. So just for your personal use, I [00:49:30] will ask those guys to send you some if you want.
What's it called? It's called Brock Elite, B R O [00:49:35] C Elite.
Speaker: I'm always searching, you know, I get calls from people all around the country [00:49:40] that, that, that want to sue because they've been injured.
Speaker 3: And, uh, There's 10 [00:49:45] years of good science behind coming up with that. It's not, you know, the average supplement out there.
And [00:49:50] I've known those guys for a while and I've just, just got the idea of what is sitting on my desk because I just interviewed them. [00:49:55] But when we're talking about reducing toxin exposure, you also have to get better at excreting. [00:50:00] So glutathione and calcium deglucorate are two of the supplements I've talked about for many years.
Activated [00:50:05] charcoal, this is something that kind of combines three different pathways and it's become a [00:50:10] part of my stack for detoxing, especially on air. airplanes and in hotels, what do you do when you [00:50:15] fly and when you're in a hotel in order to stay healthy? I don't [00:50:20] My my
Speaker: practice My practice began to boom as a [00:50:25] result of covid because you know in the in these legal cases You [00:50:30] could do almost everything.
You could take depositions on zoom. You can have [00:50:35] hearings on zoom. And as a result of that, I'm able to have cases [00:50:40] all over the country without even having to travel.
Speaker 3: That's gotta be life changing because with the [00:50:45] environmental sensitivity that you still have. You just don't need to get on airplanes.
It [00:50:50] was debilitating for me in my, my late twenties. I remember I, I wanted to travel for business and I would get [00:50:55] places. My brain was cooked and, and I was just like in a fog [00:51:00] and I'm to the point now, I travel 60, 70 percent of the time.
Speaker: Wow. [00:51:05] I don't get sick anymore. Good for you. Okay.
Speaker 3: Take 150 supplements a day, [00:51:10] and I just, I know my body, but I never in my wildest dreams [00:51:15] imagined having this kind of resilience.
And it's one thing that motivates me every day to teach biohacking, because if I can do [00:51:20] this, you know, I didn't have to live in a bubble, but I would have if you'd have offered it to me the way you [00:51:25] did. Because it was so bad. I'm forever grateful. And on that [00:51:30] rare occasion, like, wow, something's off.
It's like, I just have to tweak it, but I don't want to be an expert in this. I [00:51:35] had other stuff to do, but I am an expert in this. So I might as well share it.
Speaker: That's great. You're doing a lot of [00:51:40] good things for a lot of people that have nowhere else to turn to, you know, for help. I [00:51:45] really commend and admire and respect.
Uh, what you've done and what you continue [00:51:50] to
Speaker 3: do for many people. Thank you, Alan. And likewise, you know, continuing to help [00:51:55] people. There's a feeling of helplessness that comes from this. You know, like, I didn't do anything. My, my, [00:52:00] usually a doctor or a landlord or a company is, they're, they're gaslighting you, [00:52:05] right?
I think it's saying it's all in your head. And I had the same thing. Maybe you should try to lose weight. I'm like, [00:52:10] Did you not hear the part about exercising 90 minutes a day, six days a week on a low fat diet [00:52:15] for 18 months straight before I came to you? No, they didn't hear it, because it couldn't be possible, [00:52:20] and it just, it can be enraging for people, and I would just say, if you're listening to [00:52:25] this, it's okay to be pissed off, but it's not okay to be pissed off that people are actually going to help you, and Alan, [00:52:30] you've done a lot of work legally for people, right?
I gotta ask you, what's the [00:52:35] ugliest truth about the chemical industry that no one will say out loud? [00:52:40]
Speaker: Money. Greed. Power. Control. If you [00:52:45] follow the money, which is what I do in every single case, you will [00:52:50] find that people are injured because of greed. [00:52:55] That's all it's about. That's the bottom line. And, and [00:53:00] in these cases, You've got people that are dead.
You've got people that are [00:53:05] injured and you got to find out who did it and why. And the [00:53:10] why is always, always about money a hundred percent [00:53:15] of the time. And, you know, when I was a prosecutor, I represented the [00:53:20] state of Florida. And the victims were, you know, individual victims who were, [00:53:25] you know, victimized by murderers, rapists, drug [00:53:30] cartel people.
But in this type of law that I'm doing, it's [00:53:35] motivated by money. You know, if someone would describe me, they would say I was, I was a [00:53:40] very skeptical person. And I am. [00:53:45] And, uh, the reason why I am is, is because I've seen the, [00:53:50] the, the, the underbelly of what you just asked me. [00:53:55] As a result of this, more people get sick and die from environmental [00:54:00] exposure than all those afflicted with AIDS, accident, war, [00:54:05] crime, and COVID combined.
It is the silent [00:54:10] epidemic of the 21st century. And it converts into, you [00:54:15] see it manifesting in cancer, heart disease, neurodegenerative [00:54:20] diseases, like we were talking about. So, this is such a [00:54:25] widespread problem. And it's all about money. That's all it's about. You [00:54:30] know, the people come to you to try and prevent themselves from becoming another [00:54:35] statistic.
The people come to me When their lives have already been [00:54:40] destroyed so you have a happier, um, a [00:54:45] happier vocation that, you know, that, that I do, we've got to do something about it [00:54:50] and, uh, we. And we are doing something about it. And, [00:54:55] uh, the more you could use mass media, whether it's entertainment, [00:55:00] movies, television shows, talk shows, podcasts, like with the one [00:55:05] we're on now books, however, you could reach the masses.
I mean, [00:55:10] like I said, even Bobby Kennedy, he's just one person. He's the head of the whole, you know, [00:55:15] HHS. You'd think if he could, you know, make his magic wand go, [00:55:20] he could, Completely revamp everything, but he can't. No
Speaker 3: [00:55:25] one person can do it. It requires a lot of support. I've, I've had the honor of having dinner with him [00:55:30] and going deep.
And what a brilliant mind, but the only way I can think of, because the [00:55:35] EPA is working against the FDA, which Bobby controls. But, [00:55:40] The FDA can put allowable chemical levels in [00:55:45] food. So even if the EPA says, Oh, it's okay to spray that crap everywhere, [00:55:50] the FDA could say it's not okay to sell to people. And I hope that's the end run around the [00:55:55] EPA, because right now the EPA is going in the wrong direction, and the FDA is going in the right direction.
It's a little [00:56:00] scary. So, I have a Question for you then, you understand the system really well, and if you [00:56:05] had that magic wand, and you could pass one law today to protect [00:56:10] generations down the road, what would it be?
Speaker: It would be that any chemical [00:56:15] that's, that's put into the chain of commerce be tested. [00:56:20] And, and the manufacturer or the distributor that's, [00:56:25] that's manufacturing this product.
They have the burden of proof [00:56:30] to show why that chemical is safe. Before it could be put into [00:56:35] products, put the burden of proof on them. The way it is now is [00:56:40] it's the opposite. You could, like I said before, you could
Speaker 3: put it in anything [00:56:45] and anything goes. Burden proof and liability that comes with it might [00:56:50] be helpful.
Speaker: Well, they do have liability. And what happens is [00:56:55] this is part of the underbelly of this thing. What happens is they come out with a chemical, right? [00:57:00] And then we prove in court that it's toxic. Okay. What they do [00:57:05] is it's, first of all, it's proven in court in a single case or [00:57:10] in a class action. It's not, the government's not involved in this at all.[00:57:15]
So a private party or private parties need to get together and spend all this [00:57:20] money and convince the jury that this chemical is toxic. [00:57:25] Okay. And then once that happens, what do they do? The manufacturer [00:57:30] tweaks the product, opens up a new company across the street. [00:57:35] With a slightly different chemical composition and starts the ball rolling all [00:57:40] over again, and they'll get another 10 or 20 years out of it.
So [00:57:45] they do have liability, but you have to prove liability in court. If you [00:57:50] make, if you make it a law that they have to ask, they have to actually [00:57:55] show that it's. safe before they're allowed to sell [00:58:00] it and put it in products. That'll cut this thing off right now.
Speaker 3: [00:58:05] Wow. Absolutely love it. Alan, you're, you're doing some really powerful work in the [00:58:10] world, just representing people who need the help.
So thank you for writing your book and [00:58:15] for just staying on this for so long. Alanbell. me is your website, [00:58:20] right?
Speaker: Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 3: Is there anywhere else you'd like to send people to find more about your work?
Speaker: On [00:58:25] the website, there's also a phone number that you can call up if you need to talk to somebody.
Speaker 3: And an email [00:58:30] address, too, by the way. Awesome. Guys, I'm serious. If you're having [00:58:35] all the weird health stuff and no amount of biohacking seems like it's getting you anything above treading water, [00:58:40] If you know what happened, uh, there's a possibility to go after, uh, [00:58:45] the people who did it, uh, or at least to get some help.
And Alan is a hundred percent working for the good [00:58:50] guys.
Speaker: Thanks,
Speaker 3: Dave. Appreciate it. See you next time on the [00:58:55] Human Upgrade Podcast.