In this episode of The Human Upgrade, Host Dave Asprey sits down with Dylan Gemelli for a candid, systems-level conversation about peptides, research chemicals, SARMs, and the gray zone between medicine, performance enhancement, and personal responsibility. They explore what research chemicals really are, why peptides fall into that category, and how legality often has little to do with biological risk or effectiveness. The discussion spans MK-677 and growth hormone signaling, muscle versus strength, testosterone optimization, nicotine versus tobacco, and the tradeoffs between aesthetics, performance, and long-term function. Dave and Dylan also examine diet failures, metabolic recovery, exercise myths, and why modern healthcare discourages self-experimentation and medical autonomy. Throughout the conversation, Dave shares personal experiences rebuilding his health using unconventional tools, framing biohacking as a smarter-not-harder approach to human performance, longevity, and taking ownership of your biology.
What if the line between “medicine” and “forbidden” has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with permission? This episode gives you a clear framework for understanding peptides, research chemicals, and performance enhancement so you can think for yourself instead of outsourcing your biology
Host Dave Asprey sits down with Dylan Gemelli for a candid, unfiltered conversation about the underground world of biohacking, research chemicals, and human performance. Dylan is a long-time biohacker, educator, and researcher who came out of the bodybuilding world and spent more than a decade studying peptides, SARMs, nootropics, and gray-area compounds. He brings first-hand experience, deep research literacy, and a rare ability to explain what these compounds actually do, where the risks are, and why most doctors will never talk about them.
Together, they unpack what “research chemicals” really means, why peptides technically fall into that category, and how legality often has little to do with biological reality. They explore compounds like MK-677, S4, and other SARMs, how they interact with growth hormone, muscle, strength, and recovery, and why some of these tools can be more powerful than peptides when used with intention and restraint. Dave also shares his own experiences rebuilding his health using underground tools, why he refuses to ask for permission to take care of his body, and how performance enhancement fits into longevity, metabolism, and real-world function.
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0:00 – Introduction
Dave frames the conversation around performance enhancement, medical autonomy, and why upgrading your biology is not cheating.
1:28 – SARMs & Research Chemicals
Dave and Dylan break down what research chemicals actually are, why peptides fall into this category, and where legality creates confusion.
7:43 – 29 Pounds of Muscle in 6 Weeks
Dave shares the real story of gaining 29 pounds of muscle rapidly, including the unintended consequences and lessons learned.
10:20 – MK-677 & Growth Hormone
They explain how MK-677 works to increase growth hormone naturally and why it can outperform HGH in certain situations.
16:41 – Vegan Diet Disaster
Both recount their negative experiences with vegan diets, including anxiety, focus issues, and metabolic decline.
18:30 – From Bodybuilding to Biohacking
Dylan explains his transition from competitive bodybuilding into a more holistic biohacking and longevity-focused approach.
21:31 – Diet Transformation & Metabolism
They discuss shifting to higher-fat, higher-protein diets and how this radically improved energy, body composition, and mental clarity.
29:14 – Reversing Heart Plaque
Dave walks through his personal journey of identifying arterial plaque and the unconventional steps he took to reverse it.
33:50 – Exercise, Cardio & Longevity
The conversation challenges long-duration cardio and explains why strength, movement, and nervous system health matter more for longevity.
44:16 – Testosterone, TRT & Kyzatrex
Dave and Dylan unpack testosterone therapy, fertility concerns, oral testosterone options, and how to think about optimal levels.
50:06 – Healthcare Freedom
They critique modern healthcare systems, insurance incentives, and why self-education is essential for long-term health.
53:23 – Medical Freedom
The episode closes with a strong defense of medical autonomy and the right to optimize your own body without permission slips.
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