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America is losing the war against childhood obesity. This seemingly unstoppable epidemic is the single biggest health risk to our youth, and in most cases, it’s completely avoidable.  Today’s guest is the world-renowned Dr. David Ludwig, a man who has dedicated his life to saving our children from this scourge with his cutting-edge research at Harvard. In this episode, Dr. Ludwig reveals the science behind why our children are most vulnerable to childhood obesity, and how a change of diet can save their lives.

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Speaker 1:                           Bulletproof Radio, a state of high performance.

Dave Asprey:                     You’re listening to Bulletproof Radio with Dave Asprey. Today’s cool fact of the day is actually not that cool. It’s a little bit troubling. It’s that today we’re going to talk about kids, and right now, only about 2% of American children eat a healthy diet. Researchers say that childhood obesity could reduce life expectancy by five years or more over the next decades. It’s already happening, by the way, right now. We just had a reduction in that that you’ll hear about in the show.

I want my kids to have the ability to live to at least 150, given that I’m going to live to 180+, or at least that’s my plan. I also want your kids to have that same opportunity, because I believe it’s entirely possible given our biology, given our technology, that we can extend our human life span very meaningfully. Not so that you’re old and decrepit, but so that you’re old and full of energy, and then eventually you die, but you don’t spend thirty years in that retirement home. Unless that’s what you want to do. It’s that level of freedom, that level of control over our biology, and that’s what has my attention. Because right now, forty-five percent of children diagnosed with diabetes have type two diabetes, just because they are obese.

When I was an obese kid, I was never diagnosed with type two diabetes. In my early twenties, I had a fasting blood sugar of 117, and I was definitely pre-diabetic, pretty much on the cusp of type two diabetes. I know that that was not necessary, and it wasn’t because my parents didn’t care, they were actually actively taking steps to improve my health, they were just the wrong steps.

Experts believe that if the current adolescent obesity rates persist, they’ll be more than a hundred thousand additional cases of heart disease connected to obesity in about twenty years. This is just not okay.

You are going to hear from a guy on the show today who is doing something about it. A guy with some of the most impressive credentials you’ll ever come across. A New York Times #1 Best Selling author who has been on the show before. This is not meant to scare you as a cool fact of the day, this is meant to inspire you that there’s something not so cool happening, but there’s stuff you can do about it.

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Now onto the show.

We are filming live from the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine in Las Vegas, which is the preeminent event for anti-aging physicians really in the world. This is a very well-respected organization. I have one of the keynote speakers here as a guest, which is a good honor. We get to meet in person. If you’re a long time listener, you already maybe heard the podcast with Doctor David Ludwig. Dr. Ludwig is a giant in our field. I’m going to have to read this, because there’s too many affiliations for all of you. If you’re watching on our YouTube channel, obviously I’m looking down here.

He’s an endocrinologist and researcher at Boston’s Children Hospital. He’s a Founder of the Optimal Weight for Life Program, a professor of pediatrics at Harvard, and a professor of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. You don’t see a lot of endocrinologist, physicians, nutrition professors out there. It’s pretty amazing just academically and the things you’ve tied together, Dr. Ludwig. Welcome to the show.

David Ludwig:                    Thank you. It’s a great pleasure to be back with you, and congratulations on your great work.

Dave Asprey:                     Oh, thanks. It’s funny because I’m also keynoting at this conference, which is an honor for me, because I’m the only non-physician to do it. To share a stage with you and Dr. Perlmutter.

David Ludwig:                    David Perlmutter, so we talked about the three-Ds, the three Davids.

Dave Asprey:                     Exactly. It’s kind of …

David Ludwig:                    You’ve got nutrition in 3D.

Dave Asprey:                     It’s kind of crazy, and the reason I wanted to talk with you today and to share your knowledge with our guests is that last time you were on the show, you talked about your new book, Always Hungry, which is … If you guys haven’t checked out this book, if you liked the bulletproof diet, if you’re interested in what fat can do for you, here’s the guy with about ten thousand times more academic credentials than I have, who has some good stuff to say about fat. You’re one of the people leading the national conversation along with Nina Teicholz, I always say her name wrong.

David Ludwig:                    Teicholz.

Dave Asprey:                     Teicholz. Nina and I are friends as well, even though I say her name wrong, who has also written some books about fat, but there’s this national conversation where you have the old school low-fats, mostly paid for by big grain sort of research out there, and you’re refuting some of that using very strong academics, randomized controlled trials, and the things that everyone wants, but no one has paid for except for maybe big drug companies and things like that. But there’s something else you’ve done. It’s something that I actually really value, and I wanted to talk about that as well. Your very first book was actually about combating childhood obesity. So I wanted today to touch on what are we going to do in order to get randomized controlled trials, like really good research to support the things that are in your book, things that are in Doctor Perlmutter’s book, and the things about what fat actually does for our brains and our metabolism. That’s part of it.

The other thing is what can people listening do for their kids to combat childhood obesity? As you know, I was an obese child, and I still have stretch marks all over the place.

David Ludwig:                    Wow. [crosstalk 00:09:14]

Dave Asprey:                     Quick plug, by the way, the new stretch marks book is on Amazon. It’s like a buck or something. It’s really cheap. Everything I know about stretch marks in one place.

David Ludwig:                    So you don’t have to stretch financially.

Dave Asprey:                     Exactly. But this is the sort of thing if someone had told me when I was a kid. I was desperate. You know the three rippled stomach when you’re fourteen, and your self-esteem is affected by that, and you feel crappy. My parents were giving me bran muffins and squeeze margarine, because that’s what the doctors said, you know? What should people listening do if they are dealing with fat kids to help them?

David Ludwig:                    Yeah, well, part of the tragedy is not only is the main prescription that we’re telling people to follow the low-fat diet doesn’t work. Not only does it not work for most people, and we can talk about why, but it blames people for the failure. If losing weight is just about calorie balance, just eat less, move more, than anybody should be able to do it, and if you can’t do it, there must be something the matter with you.

Dave Asprey:                     Like a moral failing, right?

David Ludwig:                    Why is it that society treats people with a weight problem with more stigma than with almost any other medical issue? It’s because there’s this implicit sense that weight is simply a matter of wills, will-power, discipline, and sticking to a diet. If you can’t do it, there must be something the matter with you.

Dave Asprey:                     Yeah, you’re weak.

David Ludwig:                    Poor disciple, poor willpower, or a character issue. You know? Think of gluttony and sloth among the seven deadly sins. My message and so many others, including yours, is that body weight is more about biology than will-power.

Dave Asprey:                     Oh, yeah.

David Ludwig:                    Talk about kids in school to this day, children can get fat-free, sugary pink or chocolate milk. It doesn’t matter they dump in loads of sugar, as long as it’s fat-free, but children are prohibited by national policy through the USDA from getting plain whole milk.

Dave Asprey:                     It’s offensive.

David Ludwig:                    This is what I call the persisting harms of the low-fat diet era. Even thought the USDA came forth with its new recommendations 2015, quietly lifting the limit on dietary fat, almost nobody knows about it, because the low-fat diet was launched with massive fanfare. Government, nutrition societies, doctors, dietitians have been telling us for so long that if you don’t want fat on your body, don’t put fat into your body, and yet that whole low-fat diet era has sort of been ended with no publicity. The public consciousness is still colored by that fear of fat and food policy. National nutrition policy, as we were just discussing in the schools, and there are dozens of other examples, is still infused by the low-fat message.

Why is that wrong? I mean, your audience has heard you talk about this, but it’s simply because when we cut back on fat, if you restrict calories, and low-fat diets are the way to do that most quickly, yes you’ll lose weight, but your body fights back. The brain perceives calorie deprivation, and what does it do? What every dieter recognizes. Your hunger goes up. Your metabolism slows down. You go into starvation mode. Stress hormones are secreted. That then further erode your lean tissue, and that’s a recipe for failure. But we’ve got to reverse that. Actually, one of the best ways is instead to focus on the processed carbohydrates, which are raising insulin and driving fat cells into a feeding frenzy. Once fat cells calm down, the calories you eat stay around in the blood stream longer so they’re there to nourish your brain, they’re there to nourish your muscles and your organs, and so your brain can say, “Wait a second. All right. I can calm down. I don’t have to worry that the fuel supply is limited.”

Hunger decreases, metabolism speeds up, and then you get to lose weight with your body’s multi-million year evolutionary system working with you, not against you. That’s a message that’s important for everybody, but it’s critical for the children.

Dave Asprey:                     About two years ago, I sat down at a conference with Nina Teicholz … I don’t know if I said that right. There’s an “r” in there?

David Ludwig:                    Teicholz, I think.

Dave Asprey:                     Teicholz. Sorry, Nina, if you’re listening to this. She and I sat down, and we actually discussed whether there was a need for a class action lawsuit against the American Heart Association for their bad advice. I’m so troubled by this. The very next day, I gave a talk in Malibu to a room full of very high-end Hollywood TV producers about the bulletproof diet. I went through reverse T3 and cortisol and the case for a high-fat diet, and there was a cardiothoracic surgeon in the audience. At the end of this, she stood up, and she was one of the very Senior Executives at the American Heart Association. I thought, man, she’s just going to tear me apart. She’s got a lot of credentials. She turned around and she looked at everyone. She said, “I agree with everything he just said. We changed our fat recommendations a year ago based on the science and no one will listen.”

I honestly almost had a tear in my eye, because it’s not them. It’s that there’s a momentum that’s happening from this bad advice from years ago that’s been built in, but even the leading voices now are starting to talk about what you’re saying. In fact, you’re one of the leading voices about fat.

David Ludwig:                    Well, I do have to congratulate the American Heart Association. They have … Like every other professional association, the government, they advocated a low-fat diet, but they were quick to recognize within the last decade. Not only did they recognize it, but they’ve come out with some very powerful policy statements targeting sugar, and recognizing that the metabolic syndrome, which is the soil out of which diabetes and heart disease rose, is fueled by insulin resistance. If you’re insulin resistant, what sense does it make to dumb in so much carbohydrate?

Dave Asprey:                     I would have put them on the list of bad guys ten years ago, and I am also truly impressed that the American Heart Association is moving … They shouldn’t be a leading edge thing. They need to be a little bit conservative, because they are a very large voice. That actually gave me great hope.

The second thing you said about how low-fat diets cause obesity, one of the things that I dealt with when I weighed 300 pounds … I could lose 20 pounds, and then I’d gain thirty. Lose thirty, gain forty. It has to do with a hormone called ghrelin, one you’re certainly familiar with. What I discovered after recognizing that bulletproof coffee had an unusual effect, but not necessarily understanding what the effect was, I came across a couple studies that showed that when you could raise your ketone levels even just a .5 on a blood stick, which is below nutritional ketosis, that it would reset your ghrelin levels to your current body weight. Ghrelin’s the thing that makes you have cravings and hunger all the time. So that instead of having …

If you use a low-fat diet to lose weight, if you’re three-hundred pounds and you lose fifty pounds, you will have the hunger and craving levels of a three-hundred pounder. You’ll lose eventually. You’ll start eating. That’s not a moral failing, that’s just running out of will power. But, if you go into very mild ketosis, just a little bit, that that flips a switch, and all of a sudden your hunger levels now match your current body weight, which is kind of liberating. Do you think this increase in fat that you’re talking about in your book, do you have to go into ketosis for this to help people?

David Ludwig:                    Let me just first say that I don’t say … I’m not arguing that every low-fat diet is wrong for everybody.

Dave Asprey:                     Agreed.

David Ludwig:                    There are populations that have eaten relatively low-fat in quite a healthy way. The Okinawan diet is said [inaudible 00:17:13], but let’s keep in mind that this is a very physically active population. It isn’t burdened by obesity and insulin resistance. We’re talking about what to do with a population in the United States, and increasingly throughout the western and now the developing nations, that has obesity as it’s leading nutritional problem with insulin resistance. The ultimate expression of that is type two diabetes, the ultimate metabolic meltdown. People with diabetes are still told to eat a high carbohydrate diet. Type two diabetes is by definition glucose or carbohydrate intolerance. It’s like telling somebody with lactose intolerance to have a lot of lactose. It doesn’t make sense.

Your question … Ketogenic diets are now increasingly the topic of very interesting research. Humans are designed to be ketogenic when they are starving, when they are fasting. We can trigger that also with a very low carbohydrate diet, as long as the protein intake isn’t too high.

Dave Asprey:                     Or exogenous, like the brain octane oil that I make.

David Ludwig:                    Or, yes, you’ve focused on ways of hacking the ketogenic pathways. These medium chain triglycerides, especially C8 and C10, are very ketogenic. The body wants to burn them. It goes right to the front of the fuel shuttle and raises ketone levels. Ketones pass the blood brain barrier. My own experience on a ketogenic diet was really nice mental clarity. Because blood sugar … When you are dependent on glucose so feed your brain, changes in your blood sugar could potentially affect your mental function. We see that in people with what’s called reactive hypoglycemia. They eat a bagel for breakfast, they feel good for an hour, couple hours later, you can see their blood sugar is down, at or below fasting, and they’re fuzzy. Ketones, if you get into that state, are stable. They’re a very efficient fuel. Question is, does everybody need to be … Is it advantageous for everybody? We don’t know. We need the research.

I think what I’m especially interested in is people with type two diabetes. The possibility that a ketogenic diet could comprise an alternative to bariatric surgery has to be researched. Why do we spend a billion dollars to develop a drug for just one diabetes complication? A cholesterol or hypertension or control blood sugar. We need to be spending a billion dollars for high-quality long-term big-scale randomized, controlled trials, but most of the research we do in nutrition suffers from a shoestring budget. So we can’t get definitive answers. I think that that’s one place.

Another big question is whether the ketogenic diet will have advantages for the broad population, or whether we can get most of the benefits just by cutting down on the processed carbs, building up on the healthy fats. Ketogenic diets are restrictive, although maybe with some of your preparations, a little less so.

Dave Asprey:                     I’ve come to the conclusion, and this … Jeff Volek, who is one of the preeminent ketone researchers is actually here at the A4M. I’m going to hopefully get a chance to chat with him as well. There’s a crowd of very vocal ketone advocates online, who are all ketosis all the time, glucose is the devil’s work, and I don’t believe that’s borne out biologically. After having been in extreme ketosis for a while, I believe that there’s a pretty good argument that everyone, with maybe some weird genetic exceptions, would benefit from being in ketosis at least occasionally, at least mildly.

What I’m finding on my own blood sticks is that if I use brain octane in my bulletproof coffee, I can get to .8, which is the edge of nutritional ketosis, as long as I don’t have any sugar in the morning. Even if I had sugar the night before. I just want a little bit of ketone present, because it provides that mental clarity and by varying things like that, I just measured my insulin sensitivity, and it’s on a scale of 1 to 120. I don’t remember the metrics off the top of my head, but 120 is type two diabetic, and 1 is as insulin sensitive as you can get. I used to be pre-diabetic, and I’m 1. I’m as insulin sensitive as you can get, and I’m highly glucose tolerant at the same time, which is unusual. I think that’s cyclical ketosis doing it, but I want to see the research [crosstalk 00:21:55].

David Ludwig:                    Yeah. You know, we need to have a one billion dollar institute. Let’s create one in Harvard, to do the definitive studies to answer these questions. Whatever the answer is, we need it. We need the answer. Maybe there are some areas that we … I cherish my own hypothesis. Maybe we’re 50% right, maybe we’re 80% right. Even if we’re 10% right, let’s find that ten percent, and prove it. Then, finally, the percentage where maybe we didn’t get it right, but out of failure of a research study, sometimes you get a much greater discovery, like penicillin, was discovered out of someone’s failed experiment basically.

Dave Asprey:                     Right, right.

David Ludwig:                    It just makes no sense that we are investing so massively in drug development and have so many fundamental questions about food as medicine. Every time we eat, the hormones in our body change … Hormones are the most potent substance we have. They change the very expression of genes in the body, and you can influence that based on the amount, but also the type of foods you eat. Why aren’t we taking advantage of that? Why aren’t we thinking of food as the ultimate medicine without side effects? There’s no multi-billion dollar company that stands to make huge profits from food research.

Dave Asprey:                     It’s true, at least not yet. Bulletproof is very far from a billion dollar company, but I’m willing, as the company grows, to fund research on things like that.

David Ludwig:                    I’m coming back in five years.

Dave Asprey:                     Even maybe less than that, because there’s a difference when you are making foods that are meant to have a specific effect. One of the problems that I run into though is that if I, say, carefully crafted a coffee beverage that I knew had medical effects, even if I can show in one of your Harvard studies very strong effects, let’s say on Alzheimer’s, cancer, diabetes, or heart disease. Any of the really big diseases of aging, there are legal limitations that make it illegal to say a food can do that. Right? It doesn’t matter how much data. It doesn’t matter if everyone in the country knows it, if I put it on the label, it’s not okay. Do you think that there’s maybe room for a policy change of when food is proven to be healthy, we might actually call it healthy?

David Ludwig:                    I think when we’ve got … The problem is there’s so many supplements with commercial interests that have been marketed in scurrilous ways.

Dave Asprey:                     Very.

David Ludwig:                    That’s the whole point, if we’ve got the data, then we can base recommendations and claims on that. Now, I want to bring this around. Comment on something that you just said, and then bring this back to children, where you started. We’ve passed a milestone this year, which is that life expectancy for the first time, essentially since the Civil War, increased year after year, a few blips, a flu epidemic of 1918 is one. Basically, it’s been going up ever since. Yet, lately, the last couple of decades, it’s been going up, because we’ve been using more powerful drugs and surgical procedures to deal with the consequences of our diet, of obesity, of insulin resistance. We’ve really … We’ve just hit the tipping point. We saw that increase in life expectancy slow down in the last few years. Last year, you’ve got the first statistically significant decline in life expectancy.

Dave Asprey:                     It was about two months, right? The difference in life expectancy went down by about two months?

David Ludwig:                    Yeah, that sounds about the right … This is … Many of them were food-related diseases. Most notably, cardiovascular disease and diabetes and a few others. What’s happening now? We’ve got the first generation of children that were … I should say that the most notable declines wasn’t spread across the population. It was in middle age. Not the old, not elderly. They are doing all right for their age. It’s the middle age where we’re seeing that going up. So what do we know about the middle age? Well, this is the first generation born with industrial foods, born in the 50s and 60s just as the fast-food, industrial processed foods were really invading our diet. Then, the low-fat diet on top of that. That generation is now beginning to be the canary in the mind shaft here.

It emphasizes the critical importance of starting in childhood. This is an age when both behavioral, but also biological plasticity is at its greatest. Whether it’s developing that relationship between the palette and the brain and the sensitivity, or the gut microbiome that’s training the immune system to tolerate the right foods, not develop leaky gut, or unfortunately, with the wrong influences, get the wrong microbiome and the leaky gut and the consequences is systemic.

To get effective prevention for children, we need three things. We need the right diet. We have to give them the right message. You’ve got to line up biology with behavior. We need the right approach to physical activity. Kids don’t want to spend twenty minutes on a treadmill. We need to make physical activity fun again. Then, we need parenting practices that will guide change. We live in this toxic environment with all the wrong influences. So until we can actually get the policy changes to make the world a healthier place, the family has to be a bastion of protection for children in the home. You create this protective bubble. Parents do that in two key ways. One is modeling. You do it, they’ll do it. Unfortunately, if you don’t do it, they won’t do it. Actually, what we would call protecting the home environment. If it doesn’t support health, don’t bring it in the home. That applies to food, that applies to the hi-def wide screen TV in every room. Not that a kid can never have an ice cream cone, just don’t have it in the home.

We get these three things right, the right approach to understanding of food, the right approach to physical activity, and the protective home environment, we can get [inaudible 00:28:33] into the obesity epidemic during those first few years that I think would prevent a massive, massive public health crisis to come.

Dave Asprey:                     There’s part of it too, it starts about three months before conception. It really starts with your grandmother from an epigenetic perspective. My very first book was the Better Baby Book with Dr. Lana, my wife, and it’s what we did to turn our fertility back on. What came out of that really clearly, and here we are at an anti-aging conference, if you really want to live a long time, have a super healthy grandmother and mother who ate great foods. I think a lot of this dying in middle age that we’re seeing now is because our mothers were eating processed foods. We know that this passes down. Even if you start with making an environment in the way we did in our home, everything possible. We live in a forest. My kids can play outside. We grow our own organic food.

David Ludwig:                    No lyme disease?

Dave Asprey:                     No lyme disease. Yeah.

David Ludwig:                    All right.

Dave Asprey:                     Just lemon. But we do so many things to try to do that, but they’re still paying for the genetic sins of my parents and their parents.

David Ludwig:                    It’s funny, in the bible there’s this quote saying, “The sins of the father will be visited for seven generations.” If you just do bible studies, that sounds pretty harsh, but maybe from an epigenetic perspective, the elders knew something.

Dave Asprey:                     I think they did. Certainly for two generations, it’s very dramatic. You look at the kids and grandkids of people who experienced extreme trauma in World War II, and it affects their type two diabetes rate. What you’re saying now to people, if you start young, get your kids going and they’ll do really well, but the real gift of that is in addition to seeing your kids thrive and not be obese and have brains that work so they can be calm and focused is that when you have grandkids, your grandkids will absolutely shine.

David Ludwig:                    We’ll get a victorious cycle rather than a vicious intergenerational cycle.

Dave Asprey:                     Very well put.

David Ludwig:                    Let’s emphasize that it’s never too late. You’re a beautiful example of … You talk about in your book and your public speaking how you had developed obesity. You had all sorts of …

Dave Asprey:                     Arthritis when I was fourteen, yeah.

David Ludwig:                    … Chronic diseases, yeah. You’ve … You look pretty good to me. I don’t think I want to meet you in a dark alley.

Dave Asprey:                     I’m forty-four, and I’m literally … My brain works better now than it did when I was twenty-four, and this is the power of changing our environment so that our biology does what we want, and what you’re saying is to parents, you change the environment in the home and the kid’s biology will follow.

David Ludwig:                    Yeah, and that’s why I wrote my most recent book, Always Hungry. First we had a three-phase program to first jump-start metabolic change with a very high fat, although luscious diet. It’s the easiest way. When you dump in high-quality fats, you can displace the processed carbs without craving them. We have some research to suggest that it actually turns off the nucleus accumbens, the craving center. Transition to something that’s going to be sustainable. The epilogue of my book is policy prescription. Once we’ve brought healing into our own lives, and into our own families, we have to turn that outward and fight for policy changes to detoxify the environment. The most effective way we can do that is having made those changes in our own life, because then we can speak with credibility and authority having struggled and showing success. That just communicates with people very effectively.

Dave Asprey:                     Something else that’s affecting kids, and affected you, is environmental toxic mold. When we first met, when I interviewed you for Always Hungry, you were going through a personal mold experience. Are you open to chatting about that real quick?

David Ludwig:                    Well, I’ll just say that we had after this horrible winter a few years ago all throughout the northeast, I believe, massive amounts of snow. We got ice dams around the house, and turns out that we had leaks through the chimney down and had a … Through several floors through the house, very extensive mold. As we began to look into this more, our air handling system had a lot of mold.

Dave Asprey:                     Was contaminated, yeah.

David Ludwig:                    [inaudible 00:33:11] picked it up, but also air handling, if you’ve got air conditioning, you’ve got water. If that’s not being … In most homes, that’s not something you’ve talked about, unless you’re really paying attention to where water happens. For many homes, even if the roof is solid, it’s the air handling or the air condition system. Mold can grow. I, myself, was experiencing some joint aches and muscle aches and …

Dave Asprey:                     Did you gain weight?

David Ludwig:                    I didn’t gain weight.

Dave Asprey:                     Cognitively, what happened?

David Ludwig:                    I think I just didn’t feel like I was at my best.

Dave Asprey:                     It’s like kryptonite. It didn’t kill you, but it made you weaker. Is that a …

David Ludwig:                    Sure. We fortunately got some good advice, and we found where the problem was. We mediated it, and happily our insurance coverage is …

Dave Asprey:                     Beautiful. You’re fortunate.

David Ludwig:                    Covered for that, you know. You really wonder about families that don’t have good insurance coverage or …

Dave Asprey:                     Or just don’t know. Most of them have no idea.

David Ludwig:                    Yeah, don’t even know.

Dave Asprey:                     That’s one of the things that triggered my obesity. I know from all the other mold symptoms I had, like constant nose bleeds and bruising. I lived in a moldy basement when I was getting to be an obese kid. Mold in a certain population of people triggers weight gain. Other people it triggers autoimmunity.

David Ludwig:                    The problem is these symptoms are so generalized. Is it mold, is it lyme disease?

Dave Asprey:                     Or both.

David Ludwig:                    Is it food allergies? Is it chronic stress? Is it … It could be so many things, and I think that that really speaks to a couple things. One is we need good research. We need research … There’s a lot of vested interest against mold research, because it’s potentially a trillion dollar problem. In the housing industry and the insurance industry, don’t want this information out, because they don’t want to be paying for …

Dave Asprey:                     That’s terrible.

David Ludwig:                    Why aren’t we thinking about environmental exposures more effectively?

Dave Asprey:                     Let’s see. Food and then air. The number two source of public threat in my mind is mold … Allergic response to mold, and the toxins, the direct toxins that mold manufactures.

David Ludwig:                    We need the … Going back to … We need the research.

Dave Asprey:                     We do.

David Ludwig:                    We don’t know. Maybe … Of course, there’s individual differences. Some people can live in a relatively moldy environment. Other people are highly sensitive.

Dave Asprey:                     It’s very variable.

David Ludwig:                    We know that. There’s literally … Just look at food allergies. Some people can eat peanuts all they want. Other people, a whiff of it could send them into an anaphylactic reaction. It’s not enough to just say there’s a problem. We need to understand it, and take a much broader view of how food, stress, environment influence our immune system and influence our microbiology.

Dave Asprey:                     Part of the thing that’s exciting here is that the technology is coming so we can test the air in your home, or in my home, and understand what’s in it. We can test food the way that I do with the coffee, and other problematic foods where agriculture research they’re at high risk. Then we can cross correlate those things and some people have less reactivity, however, there are some toxins that are hormetic, take a little bit, you get stronger. There are other ones where it causes oxidative DNA damage. It just does more for that guy than for that woman, but maybe we ought to just pull this out of our environment when we can do it cost effectively. That’s the direction I’m pushing, not perfection, but just awareness of problems, more research, and I’ve got about 900 studies on OTA and 1,200 on aflatoxin. We know they’re bad, but the dose and the individual variations, it’s like a big open hole of research.

David Ludwig:                    A huge question mark.

Dave Asprey:                     Before we wrap up, something that we talked about, you’re interested in doing real, randomized controlled trials of nutritional things that don’t have any vested interest, because they are not pharmaceuticals and things like that. I know that we have a very substantial number of highly successful people who listen to the show, because I’ve spoken with many of them. People with hundreds of millions to billions of dollars at their disposal, and thank you for listening by the way. Some of you I don’t even know, I’m sure, but others I’ve been fortunate to meet. If any of you are looking for some philanthropy, this is a good human being with all of the right academic affiliations. This is the sort of thing that I’m really interested in.

David Ludwig:                    And no relationships with the food industry. It’s important that we do the research without conflicts of interest. That’s why you don’t want to turn to the food industry for the millions of dollars.

Dave Asprey:                     Well, we know what General Mills and all the grain companies have done to further research. Canola oil …

David Ludwig:                    Even if the food industry has the greatest of interests, you know, well motivated, we need the research to be impeccable.

Dave Asprey:                     At arm’s length, right?

David Ludwig:                    I’m proposing that we create a quarter billion dollar institute at Harvard for intensive, state of the art nutrition research, where we begin to think of food from its ability to influence our metabolism, the expression of our genes in ways that may make all the difference between a lifetime of good health or chronic disease.

Dave Asprey:                     Maybe with some luck, someone who is looking for a good cause might want to fund some of your work at Harvard. If so, you can probably find either one of us on social media, or just send an email to support@bulletproof and I’ll hook you up in the right way, because this is the sort of thing that can change the world in a very meaningful way.

Dr. Ludwig, your book is Always Hungry, and I already said this at the beginning of the show, but if you haven’t read the book and you’re interested enough to be a regular bulletproof listener, this is one that belongs on your bookshelf. It’s very worthwhile, and it comes from someone who is the opposite of me, the unlicensed biohacker. Incredibly well-credentialed, well-experienced professor in multiple fields that are all coming together to provide you with the knowledge you have now.

Thank you for being on Bulletproof Radio. Any other URLs or things you’d [crosstalk 00:39:17].

David Ludwig:                    Sure. I invite your viewers to find me on drdavidludwig.com.

Dave Asprey:                     Okay. D-R David L-U-D-W-I-G?

David Ludwig:                    Yes, drdavidludwig.com. There, you’ll find links to my social media. We also have a Facebook community of I think now 7,000 plus people who are following the Always Hungry program and giving each other support. It’s free and non-commercial. You don’t have to buy the book to join the community. Our perspective is we’re trying to heal ourselves, and then create a grassroots movement for social change where we can then begin to demand that the healthy options are the convenient and the affordable options too.

Dave Asprey:                     Amen. Thanks from Bulletproof Radio, and it’s always a pleasure to get to hang out. We just finished lunch with Dr. Perlmutter, and it’s been an amazing day.

David Ludwig:                    Okay.

Dave Asprey:                     Really appreciate your work and appreciate you.

David Ludwig:                    Thank you for having me.

Dave Asprey:                     Thanks.

 

 

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Dave Asprey:                          You’re listening to Bulletproof Radio with Dave Asprey. Today’s cool fact of the day is that you’ve often heard from me that the brain has the most mitochondria per cell of anywhere in the body. The brain, the eye, and the heart, but that’s not actually true. The cool fact of the day for today is that the part of the body that has the very most mitochondria, these power plants per cell, is actually the ovaries. In women, the ovaries have 10 times more power production capacity than the brain of a man or a woman, or at least in an individual brain cell. The ovaries are smaller than your brain. When you look at mitochondrial density, it’s actually a pretty good indication of how important those tissues are.

That might be a precursor to what we’re going to talk about on the show today. If you have little ones present who simply don’t know anything about the birds and the bees, maybe this isn’t the right episode for you, but we won’t get too crazy. Before you find out who today’s guest is, though, if you’re a regular listener, you’ve heard me share my list of top 10 bio hacks. Let’s talk about number nine, fun hacks for the bulletproof mind. It may sound weird, but hanging upside down is a great way to hack your brain. Regularly inverting trains your brain capillaries, making them stronger and more capable to bring oxygen to your brain. It’s pretty straightforward. More oxygen in the brain means better performance.

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I would totally love it if you went over to iTunes right now and you left some feedback, because it’s amazing what happens when you just take a few seconds to leave a five star review. It helps other people find the show, and that just provides more leverage for the time and energy that goes into interviews like this so that you can learn actionable, useful stuff. While you’re at it, check out bulletproof.com, because we have a bunch of new types of coffee. We’ve got the mentalist roast, and we’ve got French kick, a roast that’s dark, but not burned. You’ll find that if you head over there, there’s now those, plus our Bulletproof process decaf and the original roast. No matter how you like your coffee, we can get you the best beans, the cleanest beans that make you feel amazing. That’s on bulletproof.com.

Today’s guest is none other than Dr. Emily Morse. She’s the host and creator of the successful and wildly popular Sex With Emily podcast and website, which by the way, has the best, most marketable name ever, because you cannot forget that name. She’s also the author of a book called “Hot Sex: Over 200 Things You Can Try Tonight”, and she’s the founder of Kegel Camp, which is an app that is a fun and easy way for men and women to get the benefits of kegel exercises. Yes, men can do kegel exercises. No, you probably don’t want to use a kegel barbell if you’re a man. Just saying. Emily, welcome to the show.

Emily Morse:                         So great to be on your show again, Dave. I’m so happy for you and all your success.

Dave Asprey:                          Likewise.

Emily Morse:                         I love it.

Dave Asprey:                          I’ve been seeing ask Emily columns everywhere, and I haven’t dared to ask you any of those deep, personal questions myself, but that’s why we have a show. We can ask all these questions.

Emily Morse:                         Can’t wait. I’m open. Whatever you got, ask me.

Dave Asprey:                          All right. I want to know, because it is this end of the year season, and things like that, the top tech items that can improve your sex life. What are some of the things that you think are most interesting right now?

Emily Morse:                         Okay, this is a good question, because as part of my job, I have to travel around the world to different sex conferences and see what the latest and greatest things that are happening for sex. One of them is there’s a five minute fix now for women’s libido. Imagine that. One of the top questions I get asked is from women and men, “Why doesn’t my partner want to have sex with me? I have low libido, no desire. What do we do about it?” As we know, female Viagra will not ever exist, at least during our time.

There’s a product called the Fiera. It’s a product that you use it regularly. A woman lays back in bed, uses it five minutes a day, and it attaches to your clitoris using gentle suction. What this does is it stimulates her physical arousal. There’s blood that rushes to her clitoris. It’s not a vibrator, but what it does do is it spikes her arousal using it once a week for a month, she’s going to realize without pills, without anything … It was developed my medical professionals for women. There was nothing else like this. I’ve tried it. We’ve all tried it. That’s another perks of our job is we get to try everything on the market, and it’s pretty amazing.

Dave Asprey:                          Okay, so is this a little battery operated suction device kind of thing, or is it a little plunger?

Emily Morse:                         It’s not a plunger. It kind of looks like a little butterfly. It’s kind of like a [inaudible 00:07:30]. It’s the six of your palm, and you put it on, and it’s got this indicator light. You’d like this. When it makes an attachment, a connection, it suctions, the light turns blue. You sit there for five minutes, and you charge it up like you would a vibrator. It just has this gentle vibration waves, but again, not like a vibrator. It brings the blood to the clitoris so women are getting more turned on this way. Then you take it off, and you can have sex. Women are reporting … Again, it was a team of professionals. Yeah, it’s awesome.

Dave Asprey:                          You use this thing, it’s called the Fiera. You use it before sex, or just use it every morning so then you’ll just be more aroused all the time?

Emily Morse:                         Use it before sex. You use it in the morning as part of your routine. Women are reporting that once they get that blood flowing and they’re going, that they don’t even need to use it as often, because they’re already in the mood for it. What happens is we get so distracted with our … Men, you get turned on if you see someone walking down the street. You’re like, “I’m ready to go.” For women, if our brain is not on board, our body will not follow. If you lay down, you’re trying, and this is going to stimulate you five minutes a day, you start to think about sex more, you’re having sex more, you’re going to want sex more. It’ll increase desire, overall desire for sex. It’s kind of a warm-up for women who have decreased libido.

Dave Asprey:                          That sounds automated.

Emily Morse:                         [crosstalk 00:09:02]. It sounds what?

Dave Asprey:                          I can [inaudible 00:09:03] like, “Oh, I’m just brushing my teeth in the morning, and doing my daily arousal.” It’s just kind of funny, actually.

Emily Morse:                         That’s because guys don’t need to do that, but for women they’re like, “I don’t want to take a pill. I don’t want to have sex,” so it’s five minutes. You lay back, and then you kind of look forward to it, because it feels good. You’re like, “Oh, okay. Now I think I’m ready. I would like to have some sex.” It’s working, and it was developed by a team of women and professionals. It’s just like it is the number one question I get asked wherever I go. Every woman thinks they’re the only one dealing with it. I get pulled aside at parties like, “I don’t want to have sex anymore. What do I do? I don’t have the desire?” Then the men are like, “She doesn’t want to have sex.” If this device you buy it, you wear it a few times a week, and it can help, which we’ve all tried it. It does work.

Dave Asprey:                          That may sound weird if you’re in your mid 20s and you don’t have this problem, you’re like, “What the heck? Why are these people talking about it?” Over time, this is a major issue. I hear about it all the time from people as well. They’re like, “How do I hack that?”

Emily Morse:                         It’s a hack.

Dave Asprey:                          I’m not a sexologist, but one of the things that got a lot of attention at the Bulletproof Conference this year, which you missed, by the way, is-

Emily Morse:                         I was [crosstalk 00:10:12]. I was in Amsterdam.

Dave Asprey:                          I know you were travelling.

Emily Morse:                         I was in Amsterdam at a sex conference learning about the Fiera, but I would have loved to have been there.

Dave Asprey:                          Amsterdam has some pretty good sex conferences, I hear. I can see why you made that decision. I would have been there, too. Just kidding.

Emily Morse:                         [crosstalk 00:10:25].

Dave Asprey:                          What we did is I had my stem cells taken out, and my wife, Dr. Lanna, had her stem cells taken out, actually extracted from our own fat, and then re-injected at various parts of the body, all sorts of injury sites. I had my stem cells injected into, well, they call it the P shot. You can imagine where it was injected. Lanna, who’s in her late 40s, had her stem cells injected, in addition to all the normal injury sites and things like that, into what they call the O shot. Basically-

Emily Morse:                         I’ve heard of … No, they’ve been wanting me to do this. Keep going. Yeah.

Dave Asprey:                          Profound changes in a week, like back to 25 years old again. Giant changes that are just not even believable.

Emily Morse:                         She did the O shot?

Dave Asprey:                          She did the O shot. They did it into the vaginal walls and into the clitoris. She talked about this on stage, so that’s the downside of being a professional bio hacker is sometimes you broadcast a video of what your toes look like when the needle goes in. You see this video of my toes going, “Ahh!” It was kind of painful to get the shots, but both of us experienced a renewed vigor, as you might say.

Emily Morse:                         Goodness. I’ve heard all about the O shot. They’ve been wanting to get me in there. Tell me, yeah.

Dave Asprey:                          You should try it. She’s a mother of two kids, and things shift over time. They shifted back really, really radically and really quickly. Things like, “Oh, my toes curl again,” and pretty cool stuff. There are definitely things that you can do that are libido related, and even just a little bit of suction, like you’re talking about, more blood flow. More blood flow on a regular basis equals cells actually come back to life. They’re not dead, but they’re [sinession 00:12:12]. They’re asleep. They don’t have enough metabolic activity. Just a change in blood flow is kind of cool.

Emily Morse:                         That’s exactly what it is. I was going to say that it just creates the physical arousal that’ll stimulate your brain to be thinking about it again, because it does kind of dormant, if you’re not [inaudible 00:12:28] paying attention to it, stimulating it with the O shot. I love that you did it. I’ve got to talk to her about it. I’ll watch it. Did you tape all the conference?

Dave Asprey:                          Oh yeah, yeah. The whole conference proceedings are available online. I’ll get you a pass. It’s probably bulletproofconference.com I think is the right thing, but we’ll get you the code, because we have the proceedings all there. A lot of people listening, you’re like okay, either we’re all just kind of talking about this for no reason, but here’s the thing. We also had a guy who goes by the name of Dr. Love, Paul Zak, who’s an expert in oxytocin, talking about oxytocin. What’s happening here is if you don’t have a functioning sex life is your ability to perform in the board room, show up as a parent, or as a spouse, as a friend, as an employee, whatever it is you do in life, if you’re not dealing with that part of it, it affects your neurotransmitters. It affects your happiness levels. You’ve got to address this stuff. If you can do it better or faster or have some kind of technology or do whatever turns you on, even if it involves whatever turns you on, it doesn’t matter, it’s important that you pay attention to those things.

Emily Morse:                         Absolutely, but the other thing I want to say, Dave, is it was interesting. You said, “In your 20s, you don’t have to worry about it.” When you’re in a long term relationship, if you’re in your 20s and you’ve been dating someone for two … My producer, she’s been in a relationship for three years, and she’s like, “God, it …” She was more excited than anybody, been living with her boyfriend, she’s 28, to try it, because she’s like, “If you’ve been living …” You know. You’re living with someone, the same thing over and over again. It’s biology. The honeymoon phase will end, everybody. It happens in every relationship. Everyone is so surprised that, “God, I no longer want to have sex anymore as much as I did those first six months.”

Dave Asprey:                          It’s eating the same flavor of ice cream everyday for the rest of your life. You might want to put some chocolate sauce on it. That’s all I’m saying.

Emily Morse:                         Just a little chocolate, little sprinkles.

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah, whatever little variations are good. If it’s a piece of technology, that’s cool. I agree. This is something that no one told me when I was in my 20s. I don’t think people talk about this very much. In your columns, in your writing, you talk about this quite a bit, but for listeners who are earlier in the stages of adult development, the Eriksonian stages there, this happens to pretty much all of us over time. I just turned 44. It’s amazing what changes over time, even if you’re doing anti-aging stuff.

Emily Morse:                         No, it is absolutely true. I always wonder why, because I get hundreds of emails a day to my inbox, Sex with Emily. I had a few questions, we answer them on the podcast. Literally it’s like they realize they were the first one that realized the world wasn’t flat. They’re like, “Oh my God, I no longer want to have sex. I love my boyfriend. We’ve been together two years.” Nobody prepares you for this. I always tell couples you prepare for everything else. You move in together. You kind of decide on what color you’re going to paint the room. You might start saving for a 401K. Are we going to move to the country or the city? You don’t talk about your sex life, because just know, it is going to wane. There will be challenges. It’s part of being in a relationship. We talk about that a lot. Prepare for it. Don’t be so shocked. We have things you can do.

Dave Asprey:                          Something that actually inspires me is that it may be social media that did it or just the ease of communication, but I find that people … I look back to the way I was when I was 20. I was pretty resistant to outside information, and so were a lot of the people around me. I find that the younger people I get to hang out with now, they’re actively seeking to avoid the kind of mistakes that I was like, “I’ll make those mistakes myself.” It’s kind of cool, because they’ll ask the questions on your show, and they’ll listen to the answer, whereas I wouldn’t even ask the question back then.

Emily Morse:                         Right. I think back then we didn’t even know what the questions were. My sex education was abysmal, and my mom would say, “If you got any questions, ask me.” I didn’t even know what to ask. I was a [inaudible 00:16:15]. I never had an orgasm. I didn’t think to masturbate. I didn’t know. Now it’s like we kind of know, and there’s so many places to … Not a lot of places to get great sex information. My website, I hope, but in sex education is, like I said, abysmal. Yeah, now people are more curious, so it’s good.

Dave Asprey:                          They’re more curious and just more open to playing with what’s happening, and just learning from others. I’m happy that you’re talking about the changes that happen in relationships. The other thing that happens that no one talks about, and you may have addressed this on one of your shows, but if not, I want to hear your thoughts on this or if you’ve heard about it. When you’re on the pill, it changes how you sense your mate’s smell. We’re attracted to people based on smell and a bunch of other things. A women will be really attracted to her boyfriend. They get married. She goes off the pill, and all of a sudden he’s not attractive anymore.

This is scary stuff. My advice for people who are on the pill, number one, if you want to live a long time and not get cancer and all this stuff, quit messing with your hormones. Get off the pill and start tracking your ovulation. Just learn how your body works. Okay, if you’re not going to do that, get off the pill for at least six months before you get married, because if you loose attraction to the person that you think is the one, you might want to know that before you have babies, just saying.

Emily Morse:                         I totally agree with you. The pill, here’s the other thing that we didn’t find out. Your doctor goes in, he gives you a pill, he doesn’t tell you, “Guess what? Besides all the attraction stuff, you might get depressed. You’re going to be bloated,” all these side-effects that no one tells you. They also don’t tell you that you can adjust it, that if this pill doesn’t work for you, you might need another kind of birth control. Adjust it, the different level of estrogen, progesterone, IUD, whatever you want to get, and they warn you of nothing.

When young girls who are getting it, they’re like, “I want to go back to the doctor.” Hard enough to get an appointment. There’s all these things around the pill that I think you’re right. Just use condoms. Get [inaudible 00:18:15] maybe take some time, figure it out. You’re right, but it is true. What if you made this big mistake? You wake up and smell your husband, and he’s the wrong guy for you. Wake up and smell the roses, smell the husband.

Dave Asprey:                          There’s other things, too, that the more I dig into how our bodies work and the delicate dance we have in the environment around us, the reason you’re attracted to the smell of your husband and he’s attracted to you is that that signals biological genetic compatibility. You are at a very low level wired to not want to have sex with people who aren’t going to give you good babies. If you mess with that system, it’s just not going to end well. It’s not that you can’t have a healthy baby. It’s just that the baby won’t be as healthy as it could have been had you allowed your body to help you choose someone you’re attracted to.

Emily Morse:                         Right. I know. It’s fascinating.

Dave Asprey:                          It is.

Emily Morse:                         [inaudible 00:19:07] this happened, your wife go off the pill, and she was like, “Eh.”

Dave Asprey:                          She didn’t like me in the first place. She was just using me for my good looks.

Emily Morse:                         [inaudible 00:19:15] change. You look good, Dave. I got to say, you look …

Dave Asprey:                          Just kidding. She wasn’t on the pill. She, being a trained physician who looked at the side effects was like, “This is bad news. I’m not doing that.”

Emily Morse:                         I know, it is bad news. Even my nieces, they’re getting on the pill. I’m like, “God, can we talk?” Yeah, not the best thing.

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah. Let’s talk about kegel exercises, because this is something that I actually haven’t written about, I don’t believe, on the Bulletproof website. It’s something I’ve known about for a long time, something that guys absolutely should be doing, something that I’ve actually done for a long time, and something that a lot of women do. Let’s talk about kegel exercises, first for women, what they are, what the benefits are, if you have any hacks for them, and then tell me about kegel exercises for men, because I think a lot of people don’t know about this.

Emily Morse:                         Okay. Kegel exercises are another way. They’re kind of a little bit of magic. Just imagine doing your kegels, and they don’t take that much time. If you do them a few times a week, you’ll see so many improvements. Let’s talk about for women. If you don’t know what they are, best way to describe it, I’ve not found a more elegant way, but it’s those pee stopping muscles when you stop and start the flow of urine. If you’re going to the bathroom and someone knocks on the door, you stop it. It’s those muscles. What you do is five minutes a day you tense, relax them, tense, relax. You hold them for 10 seconds, relax. I have an iPhone app called Kegel Camp that I created because doctors always tell you to do them, and you never remember. It can remind you twice a day to do them, as many times. It gets harder. There’s 20 levels.

The point is you do them, and these muscles atrophy over time. They just will. Your pelvic floor, like everything else, will drop. No matter what age you are, it’s important to work them. For women, you can have stronger orgasms. After childbirth, a lot of women suffer from urinary incontinence. You sneeze and you pee. Not so fun. It’s just healthy to keep those muscles strong. It’s just for a lot of women, even for myself, I haven’t had kids, but I was feeling like practice what I preach. I’m going to do them. I have to say, just like the Fiera for libido, I felt like it enhanced my libido, because we just shut down that whole part of our body, women. We’re like neck up. Just the fact of five minutes a day breathing into it, it’s like I’ve got kegels of steel. I wish I could show you, but I did things like that. I’m having stronger orgasms. I’m desiring sex more, because I’m drawing attention to that area.

Dave Asprey:                          You don’t have to be naked to do these. You could be doing kegel exercises right now, and I wouldn’t know it.

Emily Morse:                         Oh yeah. Actually, I’ve been doing them the whole show.

Dave Asprey:                          Me too.

Emily Morse:                         I’m trying to [inaudible 00:22:01]. My goal is when I’m a guest on other people’s podcast. No, but here’s the thing. Doctors are always like, “Oh, when you’re at a traffic light, do them.” People can get those routines down every time. I have a friend who will say, “Every time I’m on the phone, I do them.” I forget. That’s why my app is like, “Reminder,” and then it walks you through it. Yes, you could do them anywhere. You could do them, tense, relax those muscles. The thing is a lot of people do them incorrectly. I’ve got some information on my site, and they squeeze their butts too much. It’s really these really delicate muscles that you just got to make sure you tense and relax them, again, five minutes. It helps.

Dave Asprey:                          You hold them for five minutes straight, or you tense on and off for five minutes?

Emily Morse:                         The entire exercise is five minutes. You can do three if you want to hack it.

Dave Asprey:                          You’re doing it, you’re holding for five seconds? I’m assuming there’s women listening to this right now who are like, “Okay, I’m going to try this.”

Emily Morse:                         Yeah, so when you hold them for five seconds, release. You tense, relax, five seconds. Tense and hold. On my app, again, you don’t have to use my app. My app-

Dave Asprey:                          What’s the name of the app?

Emily Morse:                         It’s called Kegel Camp.

Dave Asprey:                          Kegel Camp. All right. If you want that … Android and iPhone?

Emily Morse:                         Just iPhone, but we’re working on it. We’ve had it out for five years.

Dave Asprey:                          Just iPhone. The Android people are going to be yelling and posting. You Android people are so angry. I’m just kidding.

Emily Morse:                         They’re so angry at me. Everyday they email. I’m going to get it on there, I swear. I’ve had it for years. There’s so many things going on. I’ve got to get it on Android. I’m going to be honest, there’s other apps, too, but mine’s the best. However, there might be an Android version of something else. When I first launched the app, I only had 10 levels. How it gets increasingly more difficult is you hold them longer. It’s still a five minute routine or three minute, but then you tense and hold for 10 seconds and release it for 10 seconds, or you do rapid ones. You play with it, but it’s still the same muscles. Just like any other kind of exercise routine, you mix up your routine it gets increasingly harder, so I release it at 10 levels thinking, “Is anyone really going to do it?” They were like, “I’ve got to 10. Now what?” Now there’s 10 levels. People are like, “Oh my God.”

I have guys, we’ll talk about the benefits for men. I’ve had guys who are like, “Oh my God, now I shoot across the room like I’m 19 years old,” for example, when the ejaculate. They’re like, “I can maintain my erection longer.” It’s helpful for the prostate for men. Men and women do them the same way. We all have the pelvic floor muscles, the kegel muscles to work on. For women, the new technology this year was a product called the Intensity by PourMoi. These are all on my website as well, sexwithemily.com.

The coolest thing about this product is … Oh God, I love this. I wish they could do this for every kind of exercise is that it’s an insertable product. You put it inside you. It kind of is a vibrator, to be honest. It looks like a rabbit vibrator, but it uses gentle electro stimulation five to eight minutes a day for four times a week, and it stimulates your kegel muscles, so it actually does it for you. You like back in bed, check out your phone, answer an email. I’m telling you, I don’t even have to do them on my own. It totally works. It feels good. Then it’s a vibrator, and then at the end you’re like, “Okay.” You get a little reward here.

Dave Asprey:                          Reward you for your workout.

Emily Morse:                         Exactly.

Dave Asprey:                          If people listening think that’s skeptical, I just have to tell you straight up the vast majority of how my whole body looks right now comes from vibration and electrical stimulation. It puts on muscle. I use the Bulletproof Vibe, which is the standing vibration platform that I manufacture. You can look at me. I’m not the most ripped. The New York Times says I’m almost muscular, which is what I want to be. There’s that, and I put electrodes on my arm, and I run the same kind of currents, but heavier, over my body. That’s what I do.

Emily Morse:                         You’re sitting at home eating popcorn exercising?

Dave Asprey:                          I stand for 10 minutes a day on a platform while I’m on the phone. It vibrates 30 times a second. I do a little yoga poses, like one-legged forward folds or squats, but I’m not working out, because I’m on the phone doing them. I just stand there. Then I run the electricity once or twice a week. Sometimes I lift heavy stuff maybe once every two weeks, and I go for a walk every now and then. Literally I work out less than anyone I know. I’m looking pretty good for a mid 40s guy.

Emily Morse:                         That’s amazing. I was like, “Why do you look so good?” Is it all Bulletproof? No, I mean-

Dave Asprey:                          No, I do the Bulletproofs. I had my own stem cells put in my blood. I do everything. I’m going to live to 180 years old. There is nothing on Earth that I don’t do, but I don’t exercise all the time. The only reason I’m bringing this up is this is an example. The two technologies that you’re talking about there, like the electrical stimulation, and I don’t really want to put myself in whole body suction, except actually I do. I have a machine that takes me to 22,000 feet elevation. Literally, it removes air pressure and then puts it back. It’s like [inaudible 00:26:52] for my whole body all that the same time. It’s like a space capsule thing. Anyway, this is biohacking craziness.

Emily Morse:                         I love biohacking craziness [inaudible 00:27:00], because I always say, “What if you could do something that would do your sit-ups for you?” What I was talking about is my show, and how amazing would that be if you didn’t have to go to the gym, and you’re telling me you’ve actually invented this-

Dave Asprey:                          No, actually that’s Suzanne, Suzanne Summers. She’s been on the show, too. That Ab Blaster stuff with the electrical stim, it’s not a joke. When you run the electrical current over your muscles the right wave forms, they totally, totally work. There’s seven a Face Master that she makes where it’s like the electrical stim around your eyes. She sent me one and it’s really cool. I don’t use it regularly, because I have all sorts of toys, but when you do use it, oh my God, if you have crows feet and bags, you can shock them away in two minutes. It exercises your face muscles.

Emily Morse:                         [crosstalk 00:27:39] my show if you’re not going to use it, I’m totally going to use it.

Dave Asprey:                          Awesome. I’m sure she’ll-

Emily Morse:                         [inaudible 00:27:45] crows feet. No, so this is the same kind of thing. Yeah, this Intensity, you put it inside if you’re like, “I can’t do it,” and it’s a vibrator, so hey. It also will stimulate your libido. That’s so cool. I love you’re doing all this stuff.

Dave Asprey:                          I’m just saying that that stuff really works for muscle development. If you’re a woman of any age, or frankly a guy, although we don’t get as much attention down there from electrical current stuff, but these kinds of things to increase strength in the pelvic floor, it goes beyond just sexual interest and performance. They talk about your core muscles in your meditation and the eastern yoga side of things. That’s the lowest of the, what do we call them? I’m blanking on it.

Emily Morse:                         The chakras.

Dave Asprey:                          The locks. There’s three different locks. There’s [mudras budras 00:28:32]. There’s basically a root lock that it’s called. There’s also a throw lock. When you have a strong core, in other words, the perineum area, it actually grounds you and enables you to move energy up your central column. This goes beyond just, “I’m good in bed, and I have powerful orgasms.” It’s like, “I am more present as a woman or a man, because the core of my very core is strong.”

Emily Morse:                         I’m so glad you brought that up, because it’s actually I do a lot of meditation and breathing. I realize a lot of times I was very chest up. I wasn’t as connected. With all my yoga and all the spiritual meditating for 20 years, often times you go through your day, this whole part of me can be just shut down. When you’re breathing into your pelvic floor while you’re doing these exercises and strengthening your pelvic floor, it does have an amazing impact on your entire body and your entire well-being. You’re so right.

Dave Asprey:                          All right. This tech, these are biohacking tech for sex, but this was called Intensity, and it was by PourMe or something?

Emily Morse:                         PourMoi, like “for me” in French. P-O-U-R-M-O-I.com. Again, it’s all on my website, because they sent me one. I would never talk about a product that I didn’t know. I try everything, luckily. We get 25 pounds of sex toys sent to us today. [crosstalk 00:29:51]-

Dave Asprey:                          You have a good life, don’t you?

Emily Morse:                         I really do, I have to say. Some guy emailed me. I’m actually doing these dating apps now for fun, and a test, and maybe we’ll get to that, but he was like, “How did you manage to turn my favorite hobby into your career?” I’m like, “Because it’s sex. It’s amazing. It’s fun.” I was happy to get your Bulletproof coffee the other day, because usually it’s toys. That was actually a nice change from the [inaudible 00:30:16]. We usually get-

Dave Asprey:                          I don’t recommend ground coffee for use down there, but there are …

Emily Morse:                         I was like, “Oh my God, it’s coffee and the mug.” I love Contigo, that you use Contigo, because I’m obsessed with Contigo everything.

Dave Asprey:                          They make some amazing mugs. The Bulletproof Contigo mug, I tested 100 mugs to find one that was the perfect one. Yeah.

Emily Morse:                         I gift it to all my friends, the Contigo everything. They’re water bottles. I have it right here. I have 15 of them, everybody in my life I have, because they don’t spill. They’re amazing. Yeah, I do have the best job ever. They sent it to me. I’m like, “Really? Am I going to do this?” Then sure enough it became part of my … I meditate. I do my kegels. I do this thing. It all works.

Dave Asprey:                          I’m just going to go there. My wife will probably kill me, but given that I mentioned I do my exercise with electrical stimulation, it is conceivably possible that you could put the negative electrodes on one person, and the positive electrodes on another person. Then the areas where the two people are contacting that have the most electrical flow, which would be the wettest areas, might carry the most current. Does anyone ever say anything like that?

Emily Morse:                         I don’t even know. I missed it there. You lost me.

Dave Asprey:                          It’s possible during sex to have electrical current, like the little tens unites, the ones you can buy, the little cheap $10 massage me kind of electrical current things.

Emily Morse:                         Oh, you’re talking about electro stimulation, like vibrator [inaudible 00:31:42].

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah, like the vibrator thing that you were just talking about.

Emily Morse:                         Okay, got it.

Dave Asprey:                          You can actually take, if you have a positive terminal and a negative terminal, you can put them on different sex partners.

Emily Morse:                         Right.

Dave Asprey:                          Then the areas where you come together actually literally carry a small, tingling electrical current.

Emily Morse:                         Right.

Dave Asprey:                          Which means that your lips, your fingers, and the obvious areas are going to do that. Given that I have electrical stimulation equipment that changes physiology, how could I not try something like that, or theoretically try something like that?

Emily Morse:                         It’s a huge things right now. I’ve got a whole vibrator kit here they sent me that’s all electro stim. People use it for electro play, for sex. There’s all these vibrators now that goes beyond vibrations, but that shock to your system can actually be a great turn on for people. Is that what you’re talking about?

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, but there’s the, “Oh, I’m just going to shock myself,” but it’s one thing when basically one person is half of the connection, the other person is the other half, like an [inaudible 00:32:37]. Only the areas where you touch does the electrical current flow.

Emily Morse:                         Right, exactly. It can feel really good, which is kind of like if you give yourself a massage, it won’t feel so good, but if someone else is stimulating you, it can feel amazing.

Dave Asprey:                          Exactly.

Emily Morse:                         Or not.

Dave Asprey:                          It also kind of connects your nervous systems in a weird way, but do you think there’s any danger in this stuff? Not like your heart’s going to stop. It’s not like that, but are there long-term safety studies for this stuff that you’re aware of?

Emily Morse:                         I haven’t heard … God, you always hear about dangers with sex when people they take it too far, like autoerotic asphyxiation. I don’t encourage that. Even bondage with shibari ropes, and they do stuff, you got to be careful with everything. I haven’t [inaudible 00:33:21] these devices. Yes, with this electric stimulation, sure, you can go too far, like with everything, but I haven’t heard, and I read everything about sex. I’ve never heard anybody completely shocking themselves to the point of anything super.

Dave Asprey:                          I don’t think there’s any short-term risk. I just wonder. I believe long-term electrical stimulation actually makes your cells stronger. It adds electrons to your mitochondria. Terry Wahls, who’s been on the show who wrote the book “Minding my Mitochondria” actually used the electrical stim to cure her MS. She got out of a wheelchair using batter powered stem.

Emily Morse:                         How?

Dave Asprey:                          Along with diet and everything else. I think we’re doing good things, but there are a group of people out there who will be like, “Oh my God, what’s going to happen?” My advice for everyone listening is if it’s plugged into the wall, don’t stick it inside you. If it’s batter powered, and it doesn’t have a rotating motor, it’s probably not going to have a big electrical field. If it’s a vibrator, it may have a small electrical field, and it may not be good for you over long periods of time. We don’t know.

Emily Morse:                         This Intensity actually takes two double A batteries. It’s not plugged into the wall, and you start out at a really low speed. Who knows? Just like everything else, people are like, “Vibrators, are they bad for you? Are they going to numb you?” Moderation, people. Pay attention to your body. Yeah.

Dave Asprey:                          I didn’t know we’d go into that level of detail in electrical play, but I did have Mistress Natalie on a while ago, a professional dominatrix from New York. She went way deeper on that stuff than I ever thought. No problem.

Emily Morse:                         Right, no. Why not? I think sex, it’s going to become a little … How do you know what you’re going to be into? People are like, “Oh, I can never do that,” or, “That’s way outside my box,” but I don’t know. Just if you eat the same meal everyday, the same kind of sex everyday, why not try something new? Why not experiment with it? Who knows? Maybe it feels good to get shocked during sex with the right …

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah, or at least have some tingly stuff in the right places, if it’s not getting shocked. The bottom line is that we’re humans here to have an experience and to have experiences. If there’s an experience you’re attracted to, my advice would be if no one’s getting hurt, at least not very much, go for it.

Emily Morse:                         [crosstalk 00:35:25].

Dave Asprey:                          You might like it, right? The worst you’ll do is not like it, and then say, “Don’t do that anymore.”

Emily Morse:                         Yeah, that’s what I always tell my listeners. Why not? I think that we have such a limited view of what kind of pleasure we can have from sex, because we have sex the same way typically over and over and over again. “Oh, I can only have an orgasm this way, on top, on the bottom,” or, “I only feel good in this position.” How do you know? Just because that’s the way you’ve always done it, that’s like the biggest curse in language. We’ve always done it this way. Why not try something?

Even in my office, again, best job ever, I had a woman who worked for me, and she was like, “I’ve never had a multiple orgasm, so obviously it won’t happen.” I was like, “How do you know it won’t happen?” She’s like, “I just know.” We make decisions like this all the time. I said, “Try this.” I gave her some tips. Sex with Emily team does a sex toy review show podcast once a month. She came back in the next day and she said, “I had five.” I’m like, “Wow, you even surpassed most people.”

We have such limitations about what we’re going to like with sex, or that it’s always going to be the same. I’m just saying God, if you really want to have longevity with your sex life, attraction to your partner, or just even learn your own body, try some of these things. It’s sex. It’s supposed to be fun and pleasurable. Go there. Try it.

Dave Asprey:                          It is, indeed, and I love hearing that. For the new year, a lot of people make resolutions. I don’t know how many people make sexual resolutions for the new year, but what resolutions to improve someone’s sex life would you recommend?

Emily Morse:                         God, I recommend that everybody adds in just one little sexual resolution, because again, we’re talking about preventing what we know is going to happen, some kind of malaise in your sex life. I say resolve to masturbate with a purpose.

Dave Asprey:                          Like orgasm, or some other purpose?

Emily Morse:                         Okay. We know that’s a sure thing. You’re thinking, “You know what? I got my hand, men are going, ‘I do it all the time.'”

Dave Asprey:                          How hard is that? Oh wait, I just-

Emily Morse:                         Right, exactly. For women, again, and men, we tend to masturbate the same way, if we do at all, over and over and over again. There’s so much information that we can get from taking time to masturbate that will actually help us improve our sex life. Try new things. Understand your body. Try. I have nothing against watching porn, reading erotica, trying a new sex toy, exploring your body in different ways using your fingers. Nipple orgasms, second most common orgasm. How many women have had one of those? I haven’t. I haven’t really focused on it. It’s on my bucket list. Just with the purpose of knowing your body more and wanting more pleasure in the year, and also you might learn some things that you never knew that it felt great when someone tickles the inside of your wrist here or something, your forearm. Then you can share that with a partner. Then improve your sex life. Try new things, setting the mood, toys. I’m a huge fan of toys, different positions. Just don’t stagnate there, okay? Masturbation [inaudible 00:38:36].

Dave Asprey:                          All right. Resolve no stagnation. What about the role of shame? It seems like a lot of people are really ashamed that they might like something, they wouldn’t like something. It seems like the more shame that’s associated with something when someone does it, the more intense the experience for them. At least that’s what Mistress Natalie was talking about there.

Emily Morse:                         Oh my God, there’s so much shame.

Dave Asprey:                          Yeah, what’s your take on that?

Emily Morse:                         My take is yes, there’s so much shame when it comes to sex and to asking for what we want, to even admitting that we masturbate or that we enjoy sex. It never goes away. For a lot of people, it doesn’t go away, and it can start from childhood, religion, messages we got especially as young girls. There’s always that time in a young girl’s life when we’re maybe about six or seven, and everything is great. Maybe we feel like we’re just like the guys. It’s a hot summer day. We’re outside. Maybe we take our shirt of as well. Someone says, “Hey there, Emily, little Emily. Put your shirt on. You’re not supposed to be … Cross your legs.”

That’s when the shame starts. We think there’s something wrong with my body parts. I should be shameful of showing myself. Yeah, you shouldn’t walk around when you’re 15 with your shirt off, but there’s just something bad around our bodies. There’s shame. We’re not taught anything about pleasure, that it actually can feel good. We’re just taught, “Cover up. Your body is only for you to see.” These messages start at a very, very young age. If that’s the conditioning we got in our home, it’s going to continue into our sex life.

I talk to people of all ages, literally, that are just like, “Wow, but I just feel so bad talking about sex or masturbating still.” I think just the way to get over that is to realize that sex is for your pleasure, and to just kind of … It’s reprogramming the mind, really, and realizing you’re not going to hell. You’re going to experience so much more pleasure. All the serotonin, dopamine, everything will be spiked because of the pleasures you’re getting from it. It’s really just kind of just altering the way that you think around sex. Shame is a tough one. That’s why couples don’t often communicate around sex, because they’re afraid that they’re going to be shamed for asking for what they want in bed, that a woman is going to feel like she’ll be judged as a slut because she knows that if she’s in this position, this is the most pleasure, or if a guy asks for a certain fantasy that he wants, pleasure, that he’ll be judged. It’s all messed up in our brains, and it prevents us from having the best sex we can.

Dave Asprey:                          That’s a good resolution for the beginning of the year, but also just any time. Just resolve to ask for something you want in bed that you’ve never had. That’s a powerful thing to do. It’s also a little bit scary for most people, but you’ll probably find that if you do that, you might get what you ask for. You might even like it. Your partner might like it, or they might not. If you don’t ask, you’ll never know.

Emily Morse:                         Exactly. I always say communication is lubrication, because the more that you actually practice talking to your partner about sex and what you like and what you want, you’re going to find out that your sex life is going to improve. It’s like a muscle, communicating about sex. We don’t learn it. No one tells you how to do it, so yes, it will be a little uncomfortable the first time. Believe me, the rewards are going to come back tenfold. Just practice communicating and asking for what you want. If it’s not comfortable for you, I often say make a sexual bucket list with your partner. Be like, “These are the five things I want to try,” and you exchange lists and see, “Let’s kind of put these on … In January we’ll do this, February.” Your sex life could just go through the roof. Why not try? Life is too short not to have good sex.

Dave Asprey:                          It’s totally true. Life is way too short for mediocre sex. We’re coming up on the end of the show, and I’d love to ask you the Bulletproof question.

Emily Morse:                         Do it.

Dave Asprey:                          Since you’ve already been on the show once, so you’ve already answered the original Bulletproof question. I’m going to ask you a different question. The normal question is what are your top three recommendations for someone who comes to you and says, “Look, I want to perform better at everything I do in life.” You’ve already answered that question. However, if someone came to you tomorrow and said, “What are your top three recommendations for performing better in the bedroom?” what would you say? You only have three things that you can recommend. What are they?

Emily Morse:                         Okay. Number one-

Dave Asprey:                          Man or woman. It’s got to be generic.

Emily Morse:                         Okay, generic. I would say number one is masturbation, even for men, men and women. Men are like, “I don’t have a problem with that,” but masturbate a little bit differently for men, too. You think that, “Oh, I’ve got my hand. It feels good. Try a fleshlight. Try something different. Try prostate play. Masturbate, masturbate. It’s the best information you’ll get about what feels good, so masturbation. Communication. Communicate, like I said, communicate with your partner. That will help everybody across the board. Most people do not ask for what they want out of fear or shame, and then they’re never going to get it. Then they have bad sex. I’d say it’s kind of what I said. Masturbate, communicate, and honestly, use lube. I’m telling you-

Dave Asprey:                          Top three, I love it.

Emily Morse:                         Top three. Lubrication, people are like, “Oh, don’t worry, I don’t have a problem.” This is what everyone says to me. “Oh, no. We don’t have that problem. We’re already wet.” No, no, no. Guess what? Lube, my dream is a lube on every nightstand. Literally [inaudible 00:44:03] computer, lube on every nightstand, because there’s this stigma that if you use lube, it’s because she’s dry. There’s discomfort. You didn’t turn her on. It’s embarrassing. I’m not talking about KY jelly. I’m saying go get a good bottle of System Joe lube, or something that’s great. You add a few drops, a few drops before you start sex on the clitoris, around your penis. I’m telling you, women, 80% of women in this study at Indiana University showed they were more likely to orgasm when you add a little lube. That’s my tip.

Dave Asprey:                          That sounds like a pretty good tip. All right, Emily. Thank you for being on Bulletproof Radio and sharing some incredibly interesting new technologies around hacking your ability to have an orgasm. People can find out more at sexwithemily.com. They can subscribe to your podcast by the same name, and find your content with ask Emily pretty much all over the place now. Did I get all the good places?

Emily Morse:                         Yep, all the good places. It’s all on my website, you can find it. Also social media, we do a lot of giveaways, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, it’s all at Facebook @SexWithEmily across the board. Yeah, just go there. You’ll learn it all, because I’m everywhere on the web, but Sex With Emily is a good home base to start.

Dave Asprey:                          Awesome.

Emily Morse:                         Podcast, all that.

Dave Asprey:                          Thanks for being on Bulletproof Radio this time.

Emily Morse:                         So fun. Next time you’re on Sex With Emily.

Dave Asprey:                          All right, it’s a deal.

Emily Morse:                         Okay.

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